Grand Strategy Crusader Kings III

[Heroic Liberator]

Is this game gonna be good?

It looks better than CK2 tbqh.

I am cautiously optimistic about it.

Some gameplay footage:

 

[thesecret1]

Is this game gonna be good?

Most definitely not. But its mods might be.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Not sure if this was posted or not



But after watching it i have a few misgivings about some of the gameplay changes... namely, not having to worry about having boats to transport troops, and all levies being raised on a single rally point. Both remove a layer of planning and make invasions of islands and far off lands trival, as well as dealing with rebellions and invasions of your own territory by raising all your army in a single place.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I disagree with the rallying point system as well. In the case of navies though, I think that it's an improvement in lack of a naval combat system (which I'm assuming will come about in a fleshier expansion, possibly together with playable merchant republics).

 

[what am i doing]

namely, not having to worry about having boats to transport troops

I think this one is mostly for the Paradox AI's benefit since it typically struggles at moving troops overseas in games where discrete naval units have to meet up with land units to transport them, but can move troops overseas fine when it's just pathing with the land units on naval provinces (ie, HoIIV).

 

[Average Manatee]

I've never seen it have problems in CK2. If the AI doesn't have to figure out if its safe on the seas then it should be easy. HoI4 is just fucking retarded and the AI gladly will send millions to die in the Mediterranean as Germany ships half of the Wehrmacht to North Africa.

 

[fantadomat]

I disagree with the rallying point system as well. In the case of navies though, I think that it's an improvement in lack of a naval combat system (which I'm assuming will come about in a fleshier expansion, possibly together with playable merchant republics).

Nah i do enjoy rising the navy and shipping troops. Those boats cost money and opinion,thus if you are numb in the head you could forget them and fuck yourself over. It is small thing but i think it should be in the game.

namely, not having to worry about having boats to transport troops

I think this one is mostly for the Paradox AI's benefit since it typically struggles at moving troops overseas in games where discrete naval units have to meet up with land units to transport them, but can move troops overseas fine when it's just pathing with the land units on naval provinces (ie, HoIIV).

It is more about the devs being lazy,at this point you can't even say that paradox games have an AI. They have added too many shit mechanics that nobody cares about and fucked the AI beyond believe. Thus they end up cutting mechanics rather than improving the AI.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I disagree with the rallying point system as well. In the case of navies though, I think that it's an improvement in lack of a naval combat system (which I'm assuming will come about in a fleshier expansion, possibly together with playable merchant republics).

Nah i do enjoy rising the navy and shipping troops. Those boats cost money and opinion,thus if you are numb in the head you could forget them and fuck yourself over. It is small thing but i think it should be in the game.

I don't think that it adds much to the game besides making it more tedious, but eh.

 

[fantadomat]

I disagree with the rallying point system as well. In the case of navies though, I think that it's an improvement in lack of a naval combat system (which I'm assuming will come about in a fleshier expansion, possibly together with playable merchant republics).

Nah i do enjoy rising the navy and shipping troops. Those boats cost money and opinion,thus if you are numb in the head you could forget them and fuck yourself over. It is small thing but i think it should be in the game.

I don't think that it adds much to the game besides making it more tedious, but eh.

It is a small detail that ads to the "immersion" ,just like the troops spawning in their provinces. The whole thing feels like dumbing down of the game and making it in to sims 4.5.

 

[what am i doing]

It is more about the devs being lazy,at this point you can't even say that paradox games have an AI. They have added too many shit mechanics that nobody cares about and fucked the AI beyond believe. Thus they end up cutting mechanics rather than improving the AI.

Sure, the root cause is that the developers are lazy, but the change itself is still an improvement, and realistically the best that can be hoped for from Paradox. At least in this case, cutting a feature is making their games better rather than just dumbing them down for no gain (the usual Paradox route).

 

[vonAchdorf]

Removing transport ships was a huge decline in Civilization and it might be the same here.

 

[Kem0sabe]

So far these are my two biggest issues j have seen from the information they have released so far, otherwise they seem to be adding complexity and more flavor and depth to the game overall.

This is shaping up to be their best day 1 release in years, after the fuck ups that were Stellaris and imperator at release.

 

[Zariusz]

I cant wait for HIP for this. Imagine Habsburg chins in this game.

BTW Anyone has link to full map with all provinces, counties etc.?

 

[vonAchdorf]

I cant wait for HIP for this.
Anyone has link to full map with all provinces, counties etc.?

There will be nude, BDSM and anime mods before HIP :D

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I cant wait for HIP for this.
Anyone has link to full map with all provinces, counties etc.?

Likewise @ HIP. And say no more, druzhe:

 

[Hace El Oso]

Apparently HIP for CK3 will be a long wait, but the man behind the SWMH map module for it seems keen to come out with something independently quickly. Looking at the absolutely stupid province density in sub Saharan Africa and Tibet(and proportional price paid in relevant, interesting places) I don’t know if I’d want to get too invested without it.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Apparently HIP for CK3 will be a long wait, but the man behind the SWMH map module for it seems keen to come out with something independently quickly. Looking at the absolutely stupid province density in sub Saharan Africa and Tibet(and proportional price paid in relevant, interesting places) I don’t know if I’d want to get too invested without it.

As far as I'm concerned, both sub-Saharan Africa and the Far East (a.i. India & co.) are pointless bloat for the game. Most of the players are not familiar with the historical and cultural particularities of these regions and consequently there is no appeal to playing in them.

 

[Zariusz]

I cant wait for HIP for this.
Anyone has link to full map with all provinces, counties etc.?

Likewise @ HIP. And say no more, druzhe:

Damn that is nice, but they fucked north caucasus. Even Karelia has better province density
At least Silesia has good amount of border gore, Pomerania is meh. I hope that i can set germanic-slavic border on Łaba, like in good old times.

 

[fantadomat]

The wastelands are really retarded and kind off inaccurate at best lol

 

[Space Satan]

Russian areas got axed hard on provinces

 

[Zariusz]

Russian areas got axed hard on provinces

They did this for bigger niggalands.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Russian areas got axed hard on provinces

They did this for bigger niggalands.

The amount of provinces in Ongobongoland is simply ridiculous.

 

[vonAchdorf]

They have telemetry data - so I suppose that people are playing in those remote areas, even if I can't believe it. I have never heard from anyone that he played seriously even in India.

I mean Mali and Mansa Musa sound nice on paper, but in reality, it's remote with terra incognita around it and not many interesting events going on. It's not even a survival game like the small Christian / Jewish provinces in Africa or Zoroastrism elsewhere.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

They have telemetry data.

You know how it is today - never let pragmatism get in the way of pandering. Average player probably won't think too much about the performance impact these regions had cost the game anyway.

 

[Zariusz]

Russian areas got axed hard on provinces

They did this for bigger niggalands.

The amount of provinces in Ongobongoland is simply ridiculous.

The biggest question is why Tibetans have such big province density. North western Tibet was always like mountains, lakes and wasteland provinces.