Firstly there's almost no continuity between CK3 and CK2 devs much less CK1. Secondly Stellaris is a bad comparison because being nonsense space bullshit is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less troublesome vs even pretending to be historical much less succeeding. Expecations are completely different. Better to compare to EU4 or Vicky 3 or CK2. Even Imperator. People have got to just pretend Stellaris doesn't exist when discussing the historical games.
That's what they said themselves. Imperator had them, so people asked Johan why it had the message settings when CK3 didn't. He said each dev team makes up their own mind and he wanted message settings so he puts it in games he works on but the CK3 dev team didn't and 'solved it another way'.
I think you means to say the UI. It's a major case of being overengineered. I'll give an example. I have been looking for a wife for my heir, so I had this list of women there, and wanted to select one as my pick. Yet doing so opened her character sheet, and completely borked the whole selection (I don't remember if it closed the marriage window, or just made it so that I was looking for a husband for her). I was extremely confused wtf just happened, and then found out that clicking her portrait in that menu opens her character sheet, while to select her as your pick, you need to click her name. I don't remember how CK2 handled it, but I know that I've done this exact operation thousands of times, and not once have I ran into this issue, so it either works differently, or they made a better job communicating to the user what does what (and see, not remembering how exactly it was done is good – you shouldn't remember how exactly UI works as a player, you shouldn't even think about the UI, it should be unobtrusive). Moreover, this bullshit where something happens to the window I had open prior virtually never happens. In CK3, it happens all the fucking time. Dynasty trees are an absolute fucking nightmare to navigate (whereas they were extremely simple to use in CK2) since the entire fucking screen changes whenever you click anything, they have a fucking bug in window focusing that leads to confusing behavior, and for some fucking reason they decided to have their menus thrown all over the place, rather than inside one menu structure like in their previous games.
The only UI I find to be comparable bad to Paradox modern UI is Shadow Empire, although for different reasons. They added a bunch of "thematic stuff" to the UI but what it really does is add clicks, and since it is Unity trash or something the extra clicks always fucking hang. Because Unity. After you make a choice it gives you a popup, with a portrait of the relevant leader and a voice acted dialogue line that is also written, that you then have to click out of, but it is a dumb generic repetitive yes sir type thing. Abomination. But yeah I see what you mean about the Paradox UI also. They shoved info into tooltips so they could plaster the screen with their fancy but ugly art assets which they added to help sell "content" which they could charge zillions for and suckers will accept it. Nested tooltips should be following the "three reads" rule but nothing in Paradox UI will do that. Although of course the majority of the UI issues are just inevitable knockon effects because of the 3D model shit.
CK3: Tours and Tournaments - The Vision
Greetings!
- Thread starterrageair
- Start date7 minutes ago
Come one, come all! The grand tournament awaits your attendance - your steeds have been readied and your entourage assembled for the journey ahead! It’s time to show the world your graciousness as host and worth in the arena… but to get there, we’re better off routing our journey around the treacherous mountain passes of Stipon, as I hear they’ve been crawling with highwaymen since your, ahem, dalliance with Duke Andronikos’ wife during his son's wedding. Then there’s the matter of your unruly vassals: perhaps it’s time for a royal tour?
The life of a ruler was always active - there were many things to attend to, and most courts at the time were itinerant, roaming from place to place constantly. Tours and Tournaments aims to give rulers plenty of things to do, especially during times of peace, by introducing new systems of Travel and Grand Activities!
As mentioned in the Floorplan Dev Diary, we want to reinforce the connection between character and map - after all, the game is played on a beautiful medieval map, and no longer will the only time your ruler leaves the safety of their capital be when you’re at war. There’s an entire world out there to explore, filled with both great opportunities and adventurous obstacles.
By assembling an entourage, selecting options for your travel, and hiring a caravan master, you are ready to set out on the road and travel to activities across the world. The Travel system is an integral part of activities, with both the host and guests traveling to reach them - creating a stronger feeling of place as you see your route being plotted and your character moving directly on the map.
[Image: The Duke of Bohemia setting out on a Tour]
So what are these activities you can travel to, you ask? There’s plenty - firstly we’ve updated and revamped Feasts, Hunts, and Pilgrimages completely - the bread-and-butter of activities. There’s now a reason to hunt in a specific forest within your domain, as a ferocious wolf or legendary stag might have been spotted there - or a reason to hold a feast in a holding with leisure palaces, as you might need to impress a particularly unruly vassal. Pilgrimages will now be epic journeys, potentially taking years if you’re going far - making it necessary for a regent to rule in your stead. All activities have dedicated interfaces with easily-accessible information and beautiful art to set the scene.
Of course, there are Grand activities that are even more impactful - each of them different in their own magnificent way! They have Options and Intents which affect rewards and what type of content you might encounter. Our aim is to make each activity have a clear purpose and be interesting in its own right, therefore we chose to make Grand Tournaments, Grand Tours, and Grand Weddings - three vastly different activities with vastly different executions and purposes!
[Image: Example of Activity Types, initial step]
Grand Tournaments are where you go to test your mettle: spectacles to be announced far and wide, with rewards ranging from precious trinkets to fabulous prizes! Grand Tournaments aren’t only for martially-inclined characters - while there are contests such as melees and jousts, there are also more cerebral ones such as recitals or erudite board games. You can join your knights in slippery wrestling, eagle-eyed archery, dangerous horse racing, and vicious team melees - all clad in gleaming armor brandishing your coat of arms for the masses to see! Participating and winning in these contests will see your characters and knights grow in skill and receive prizes; living the life of a frequent tournament-goer is a valid path to take. Exploring the tournament Locale and choosing the right Intents might help you out in other ways as well, be it finding friends or dispatching rivals. If you’re in need of renown, hosting tournaments yourself will grow your standing significantly, as rulers from foreign realms come flocking to the fateful grounds, eager to compete!
[Image: Snapshot of part of the Tournament UI. Tournaments, unlike other Grand Activities, have an extra special interface - more on that in the Tournaments Dev Diary]
Grand Tours see you assemble your entire court and set out to visit vassals in your realm - an activity commonly undertaken by medieval rulers. This is a way to assert your overlordship, while also enjoying the hospitality your vassals have to offer. There are various paths to take: Intimidation, Majesty, or Taxation, all affecting the rewards and opinions of your vassals. At its core, Tours are a tool for realm stability - and something a newly-ascended ruler should undertake quite early to avoid factions and revolts. You also get to choose between ways of approaching your vassals individually; you might want to tour the grounds, observe a cultural festival, or simply have a private dinner hosted for you.
Grand Weddings allow you to marry above your station… if you’re willing to pay the cost! They also provide ample opportunity for diplomatic shenanigans, such as impressing neighboring rulers into becoming vassals, forming hard-to-get alliances, or creating favorable matches for your children. Of course, these spectacles come with everything you’d expect out of a medieval ceremony - revelries, drama, and even a bedding ritual at the end. Or you can invite a group of mercenaries to color the halls crimson with the blood of the other House, should you desire it.
[Image: Planning a Grand Wedding]
As some of you managed to cleverly figure out, there’s also a brand-new regency system where we’ve made sure that it’s both interesting to have and to be a regent. Loyal regents help you by dutifully fulfilling their Mandates, and being the regent of your liege gives you opportunities to (with varying degrees of bloodshed) seize the throne for yourself, should you be doing a “good” job.
There’s also a myriad of other changes which we’ll go into in future dev diaries - smaller systemic updates to buildings, knights, vassal opinions, and so on - all to support a more interesting and living map, where your choices matter more.
So take to the road, ruler - great opportunities await!
Tours and Tournaments will be released in late spring, and until the release we will have weekly Dev Diaries.
Don’t forget to wishlist:
Wishlist on Steam
Microsoft Store
Watch the trailer here!
Technically sovereign of Czech lands.CK3: Tours and Tournaments - The Vision
Greetings!
- Thread starterrageair
- Start date7 minutes ago
Come one, come all! The grand tournament awaits your attendance - your steeds have been readied and your entourage assembled for the journey ahead! It’s time to show the world your graciousness as host and worth in the arena… but to get there, we’re better off routing our journey around the treacherous mountain passes of Stipon, as I hear they’ve been crawling with highwaymen since your, ahem, dalliance with Duke Andronikos’ wife during his son's wedding. Then there’s the matter of your unruly vassals: perhaps it’s time for a royal tour?
The life of a ruler was always active - there were many things to attend to, and most courts at the time were itinerant, roaming from place to place constantly. Tours and Tournaments aims to give rulers plenty of things to do, especially during times of peace, by introducing new systems of Travel and Grand Activities!
As mentioned in the Floorplan Dev Diary, we want to reinforce the connection between character and map - after all, the game is played on a beautiful medieval map, and no longer will the only time your ruler leaves the safety of their capital be when you’re at war. There’s an entire world out there to explore, filled with both great opportunities and adventurous obstacles.
By assembling an entourage, selecting options for your travel, and hiring a caravan master, you are ready to set out on the road and travel to activities across the world. The Travel system is an integral part of activities, with both the host and guests traveling to reach them - creating a stronger feeling of place as you see your route being plotted and your character moving directly on the map.
[Image: The Duke of Bohemia setting out on a Tour]
So what are these activities you can travel to, you ask? There’s plenty - firstly we’ve updated and revamped Feasts, Hunts, and Pilgrimages completely - the bread-and-butter of activities. There’s now a reason to hunt in a specific forest within your domain, as a ferocious wolf or legendary stag might have been spotted there - or a reason to hold a feast in a holding with leisure palaces, as you might need to impress a particularly unruly vassal. Pilgrimages will now be epic journeys, potentially taking years if you’re going far - making it necessary for a regent to rule in your stead. All activities have dedicated interfaces with easily-accessible information and beautiful art to set the scene.
Of course, there are Grand activities that are even more impactful - each of them different in their own magnificent way! They have Options and Intents which affect rewards and what type of content you might encounter. Our aim is to make each activity have a clear purpose and be interesting in its own right, therefore we chose to make Grand Tournaments, Grand Tours, and Grand Weddings - three vastly different activities with vastly different executions and purposes!
It's a cheap ripoff of the Red Wedding since the devs are trying to get to that normie crowd that cares neither for grand strategy nor historicity. Just GoT, Sims & assorted memes.
This is basically a super watered down version of "Social Occasions" in Axioms. You don't actually plan the weddings, characters don't actually attend them, you don't actually provide food and entertainment, etc. Also your social options are limited because CK3 characters lack real personalities or consciousness. It will be interesting to see if people prefer the fancier graphics but shit tier mechanics of CK3 or the mediocre graphics but top tier mechanics of Axioms. Put out the design post for Axioms Social Occasions exactly 13 months ago. And actually most of the code for that is done. Just gotta finish the AI decision making code. At least the upcoming debacle from how shitty CK3's implementation is will prime people for wanting a non-shit version.
The answer is no, location won't matter.
Nah, happens all the time in CK2. Otherwise making your wife your spymaster and having her 24/7 stealing tech from constantinople wouldn't be viable.
I mean presumably your wife doesn't have to be literally in Constantinople, you are just indicating where you are directing the primary focus of your spymaster. CK2 doesn't really simulate intrigue. You don't have trusted agents or apply resources or anything. It is much more abstract than that.
Nah, even as ruler, you travel with your army. It's why you can die on the battlefield. And why the scurvy exploit works. Do you have a character in your kingdom that you wanna kill? A vassal, heir, or even yourself? Raise levy, add him as commander, load the levy to a ship, set sail to sea, and just park it there. After a couple months, the character will develop scurvy and likely die soon.
Yes, I get that you are with the army. But I'm pretty sure you also count as still in the capital for certain things like disease and assassinations.
Not disease for sure. Not sure about assassination.
Man I'm having a great day lmao.
The implementation is bad cause they are mediocre devs and also they are limited by being real time. The direction of the game is driven by casuals and memer streamers, and isn't really a screw up. Selling Sims style "content" which is easily scalable and hard to mess up is good for business. Making good mechanics is hard and doesn't scale well.
