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[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Looking at AD&D 1E PHB there is no mention of rape or alignment restrictions. Looking at the Monster Manual (1977) there is no mention of rape under half-orcs.

This was 1977. They didn't spell everything out. Orcs were EVIL and VIOLENT creatures. Read the monster manual on them and half-orcs.

Half-Orcs: As orcs will breed with anything, there are any number of unsavory mongrels with orcish blood, particularly orc-goblins, orchobgoblins, and orc-humans. Orcs cannot cross-breed with elves. Half-orcs tend to favor the orcish strain heavily, so such sorts are basically orcs although they can sometimes (10%) pass themselves off as true creatures of their other stock (goblins, hobgoblins, humans, etc.).

And what are orcs? Lawful evil.

As I said, and you apparently failed to read, there are no alignment restrictions mentioned. You can be whatever kind of mary sue orc you want. But it doesn't change what they are, or what alignment they're drawn to because of that.

Are you sure you've read the rules for AD&D 1E moron?

I only quoted that very passage from the manual to you, midwit. Do you want points for looking up something I already showed you and you failed to read?

You're misusing evil as evidenced by your complete lack of knowledge on what AD&D called evil. Evil is the antithesis of good which is honest, forthright, and charitable. Thus, evil characters are stingy, liars, and secretive. Because they are lawful they believe in using the law to accomplish their goals and create societies that have laws that care not for justice. An innocent person is just as likely to be punished for a crime as the criminal. All the law cares for is that someone gets punished.

I'm not misusing anything, and I didn't ask for your hamfisted summary of alignments. On that very page you and I both quoted, orcs are listed as LAWFUL EVIL, and half-orcs take after them.

Not that I can break it down any better than Gygax himself, whom you apparently can't understand even if you quote him.

Don't care since Tolkien isn't involved in this conversation. You can shove that right up where the sun don't shine. Knowing you that you'll enjoy it.

There's that chip on your shoulder again. Really doubting you fought off those bullies as a kid. More likely you were the one taking swirlies.

Tolkien was involved from the moment I mentioned fantasy in general, but you wouldn't know that, since you ignored me like a bitch.

You mean the description that doesn't appear in the AD&D 1E Monster Manuel or the PHB? I believe you're pulling from Not-D&D 3.x E on that.

Because you're illiterate? You just quoted the same passage I did.

The PDFs for 1E and 2E are sitting on a flash drive on my PC right now. I know of what I speak, but even if I were like you and didn't actually read them, I can copy and paste the same as the next man.

There are no restrictions on alignment for player characters.

English is hard for you. Let me quote myself:

Could the player be an exception? Could he be a super-special magic rocket scientist rape baby with a heart of gold? Maybe, but that sounds pretty lame and it'd just prove the rule.

See, no restriction mentioned. Talk about a strawman. I never mentioned any such thing.

Is that why you replied and insulted me like the child you are? Pot meet kettle.

Tit for that. We all know your MO by now, so don't be surprised if some of us insult you right back. We know you're not going to be reasonable and can't handle others disagreeing with you.

You had to reply to me knowing that I have you on the stupid list. You just proven that you are indeed the dumbest motherfucker in the valley.

If I'm on your ignore list, what difference does it make if I reply?

Cope and seethe. And I really don't care if a man who can barely read what he copy/pastes thinks I'm dumb.

 

[JamesDixon]

Orc society is patriarchal: Females are prized possessions at best and chattel at worst. Male orcs pride themselves on the number of females they own and male children they sire, as as their battle prowess, wealth, and amount of territory.

Oh look, WotC are the ones that created the modern rapey orcs in their Not-D&D 3.x abomination. Let's see who the WotC perverts that penned such an abomination shall we?

Skip Williams, Monte Cook, Jonathan Tweet, Peter Adkison, Richard Baker, Jason Carl, William W. Connors, and Sean K. Reynolds are the primary designers. They changed what Gary and company had put down beginning with OD&D Basic since Orcs in the White Edition are just tribes with nary a comment on society. Half-orcs appeared first in AD&D 1E and there is no mention of rape due to the TSR writer's guidelines that forbade such content.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Orcs didn't rape in AD&D moron as I posted up how half-orcs are created from the actual AD&D 1E Monster Manual and AD&D 2E Monstrous Compendium. They only became rapey after WotC published Not-D&D 3.x because TSR writer's guidelines prohibited such content. You sure you want to continue with this retard?

What a childish understanding of D&D lore in general you have. Please tell us more about the orc Don Juan's charming the local human village girls. Do you also think their mothers received them from a stork?

They only became rapey after WotC published Not-D&D 3.x because TSR writer's guidelines prohibited such content.

Amazing. You even know that, say it, and still don't get it. What more can I say to you if you can't logically process information?

edit: to spell it out even though there's no way you'll get it: they couldn't say that. they weren't willing to say that, but it was obviously implied.

 

[JamesDixon]

I'm a liar so all I can do is insult you because you're right and I'm wrong.

Really no wonder you act like such a butthurt retard all the time when you get shown up by your betters. Bye Felicia and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. My last reply to the fucking retard that can't form a coherent logical argument to save his faggot life.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Really no wonder you act like such a butthurt retard all the time when you get shown up by your betters. Bye Felicia and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. My last reply to the fucking retard that can't form a coherent logical argument to save his faggot life.

Imagine being this thickheaded. You yourself posted all that anyone would need to prove you wrong. I don't even need to argue with you, you admit it. You just don't UNDERSTAND it. And that's sad.

Yes, yes, "bye Felicia". Who could have predicted this outcome? (Or the 50/50 chance you'll come back and reply anyway even after saying that.)

Just fast forward to the part where you freak out that anyone dared to disagree with you, ignore us and then piss off like a whiney bitch the way you usually do.

 

[JamesDixon]

Really no wonder you act like such a butthurt retard all the time when you get shown up by your betters. Bye Felicia and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. My last reply to the fucking retard that can't form a coherent logical argument to save his faggot life.

Imagine being this thickheaded. You yourself posted all that anyone would need to prove you wrong. I don't even need to argue with you, you admit it. You just don't UNDERSTAND it. And that's sad.

Yes, yes, "bye Felicia". Who could have predicted this outcome? (Or the 50/50 chance you'll come back and reply anyway even after saying that.)

Just fast forward to the part where you freak out that anyone dared to disagree with you, ignore us and then piss off like a whiney bitch the way you usually do.

Imagine being such a fucking liar that you try to refute the actual words from the book themselves to try to win. I posted up everything from AD&D 1E/2E and Not-D&D 3.xE. Orcs didn't rape in AD&D but they did in Not-D&D 3.x. Since you support WotC abomination you support rape according to your logic. Here I am saying that they didn't rape and is against it. Got anything else to dispute the actual books there? No? Get the fuck out of my grill you lying sack of shit.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Imagine being such a fucking liar that you

That I what? Post that it's my last post in an argument before coming right back? Now who could have predicted that? Oh, right. Me again.

(Or the 50/50 chance you'll come back and reply anyway even after saying that.)

I posted up everything from AD&D 1E/2E and Not-D&D 3.xE. Orcs didn't rape in AD&D but they did in Not-D&D 3.x. Since you support WotC abomination you support rape according to your logic. Here I am saying that they didn't rape and is against it. Got anything else to dispute the actual books there? No? Get the fuck out of my grill you lying sack of shit.

I didn't lie. And I posted the quote before you did, you just failed to read it. Just like you failed to process what you copy/pasted, or to draw logical conclusions about it.

Speaking of logical conclusions, I predict none of this will sink into that obstinate head of yours. You've provided no explanation of how half-orcs come about. Could it be because you were too busy taking swirlies as a kid for your parents to sit you down and explain the birds and the bees?

Again: Please tell us more about the orc Don Juan's charming the local human village girls in your mind. I love a good romance story.

 

[JamesDixon]

Imagine being such a fucking liar that you

That I what? Post that it's my last post in an argument before coming right back? Now who could have predicted that? Oh, right. Me again.

(Or the 50/50 chance you'll come back and reply anyway even after saying that.)

I posted up everything from AD&D 1E/2E and Not-D&D 3.xE. Orcs didn't rape in AD&D but they did in Not-D&D 3.x. Since you support WotC abomination you support rape according to your logic. Here I am saying that they didn't rape and is against it. Got anything else to dispute the actual books there? No? Get the fuck out of my grill you lying sack of shit.

I didn't lie. And I posted the quote before you did, you just failed to read it. Just like you failed to process what you copy/pasted, or to draw logical conclusions about it.

Speaking of logical conclusions, I predict none of this will sink into that obstinate head of yours. You've provided no explanation of how half-orcs come about. Could it be because you were too busy taking swirlies as a kid for your parents to sit you down and explain the birds and the bees?

Again: Please tell us more about the orc Don Juan's charming the local human village girls in your mind. I love a good romance story.

You did lie moron as you said that half-orcs are most certainly the result of rape. That does not appear anywhere in the text you and I quoted. Thus, you lied to make an argument like the retarded inbred ass you are. The only obstinate one here is you since you enjoy taking things out of context and twisting it to suit your purposes like the good SJW you are.

Here's your idiotic quote supporting rapey orcs of WotC and shoving it into TSR's real D&D.

Yes, the LAWFUL EVIL demi-race that's almost certainly an offspring of rape.

Did your table have many rapists as players? Was it common for you guys to act out the rape scenes? I ask because such discussions were forbidden in any table I played at.

Yes, I'm mocking you because these are your words not supported by the actual text of the books you "claimed" to cite. Nowhere in the text in the TSR D&D were half-orcs created through rape. Like the good SJW you are that you have to lie about it to win social justice points.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

You did lie moron as you said that half-orcs are most certainly the result of rape.

No, I said "almost certainly". Learn to read, Cletus.

And I said it because they were. Wow, you're slow.

That does not appear anywhere in the text you and I quoted.

Because as you said, TSR banned mentioning it. If you used your head, you'd understand the obvious inference. And I think you do, or you'd answer the simple question you've been ignoring:

Again: Please tell us more about the orc Don Juan's charming the local human village girls in your mind. I love a good romance story.

Go on. Explain it. If you can work out how to type anything on that keyboard but the buthurt, low-IQ ramblings you usually post.

Did your table have many rapists as players? Was it common for you guys to act out the rape scenes? I ask because such discussions were forbidden in any table I played at.

No, and there was never a need to explicitly ban anything. They probably saw you coming and realized that baby Cletus couldn't handle knowing where half-orcs come from.

Yes, I'm mocking you because these are your words not supported by the actual text of the books you "claimed" to cite.

I did cite it, brainlet. It's in my first reply to you. Are you saying it isn't? Because then you're the liar and anyone who can read can prove it.

Yes, the LAWFUL EVIL demi-race that's almost certainly an offspring of rape.

Half-Orcs: As orcs will breed with anything, there are any number of unsavory mongrels with orcish blood, particularly orc-goblins, orchobgoblins, and orc-humans. Orcs cannot cross-breed with elves. Half-orcs tend to favor the orcish strain heavily, so such sorts are basically orcs although they can sometimes (10%) pass themselves off as true creatures of their other stock (goblins, hobgoblins, humans, etc.).

Faggots just couldn't handle the idea that half-orcs were usually evil, and basically just smarter, playable orcs. Or that orcs were evil at all for that matter. And slowly but surely they got watered down into generic Star Trek shit.

It's even highlighted in yellow because I know from past experience what a hard time you have with reading.

Nowhere in the text in the TSR D&D were half-orcs created through rape. Like the good SJW you are that you have to lie about it to win social justice points.

Orcs are cruel and hate living things in general

Again, tell me how half-orcs are born. Go on and tell me how "violent", "cruel" creatures who "hate living things in general" also have a romantic side and court human girls, having perfectly consensual sex with them.

Not that you will. You'll ignore it again, and pretend to leave the thread like a bitch again.

 

[JamesDixon]

Did someone say something? No? Okay. Half-Orcs are not the decline that two retards that should be on sex offender lists declared.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Again, tell me how half-orcs are born. Go on and tell me how "violent", "cruel" creatures who "hate living things in general" also have a romantic side and court human girls, having perfectly consensual sex with them.

Not that you will. You'll ignore it again, and pretend to leave the thread like a bitch again.

Told you so.

Btw, for reference to anyone who has a hard time finding it, here's the page from the manual:

Spoiler

You can see for yourself what it says and draw your own conclusions.

Note how they take slaves for "entertainment (torture, etc)", but kill elves, whom they coincidentally can't breed with.

A mystery, I know.

 

[JamesDixon]

Wow there are ghosts here on this forum. I wonder if DarkUnderlord knows about it.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Wow there are ghosts here on this forum. I wonder if DarkUnderlord knows about it.

Yes, go ahead and tag DU. Brilliant capstone to the completely retarded things you've said and done so far.

Including not reading the posts of people you're arguing with, not reading or understanding material you've copy/pasted, not drawing simple inferences, not admitting when even you know you're wrong and can't explain how half-orcs are conceived, pretending not to have seen my post after rating it, and now tagging the one mod on the forum who could remove your ability to ignore people just for giggles.

 

[Stokowski]

Orc society is patriarchal: Females are prized possessions at best and chattel at worst. Male orcs pride themselves on the number of females they own and male children they sire, as as their battle prowess, wealth, and amount of territory.

Oh look, WotC are the ones that created the modern rapey orcs in their Not-D&D 3.x abomination. Let's see who the WotC perverts that penned such an abomination shall we?

Skip Williams, Monte Cook, Jonathan Tweet, Peter Adkison, Richard Baker, Jason Carl, William W. Connors, and Sean K. Reynolds are the primary designers. They changed what Gary and company had put down beginning with OD&D Basic since Orcs in the White Edition are just tribes with nary a comment on society. Half-orcs appeared first in AD&D 1E and there is no mention of rape due to the TSR writer's guidelines that forbade such content.

 

[Fedora Master]

Less bullshit more Tiefling pron

 

[catfood]

Look niggers.

Human

Anything else is fake and gay.

Fixed.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

You did lie moron as you said that half-orcs are most certainly the result of rape.

James you dumb motherfucker, not having the exact words "half-orcs are rapebabies much like JamesDixon was" printed doesn't mean you can't use basic deduction to put two and two together on how an evil race conceives the "half" part of the "half orc."

Here's how Orcs looked in 1e and 2e:

Whoa, somebody better tell Aragorn to keep a leash on his woman 'lest he loses her to Grokgor and his twenty orbiting shitflies, hehehehahahahaha.

Play a Human Barbarian like a normal person you decline-enabling lil bitch and keep your pig fuckin' crossbreed fantasies to yourself.

 

[Zurat-Yarkuch]

Decided to just check on these thread to see what silly stuff is happening at WOTC and come in to find a back and forth on whether half-orcs are the result of rape.

Jesus...

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Decided to just check on these thread to see what silly stuff is happening at WOTC and come in to find a back and forth on whether half-orcs are the result of rape.

Jesus...

Ok why did we get playable half orcs again? I mean, who asked for this?

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Less bullshit more Tiefling pron

No no no. Tieflings are a fag race meant to corrupt you into more degenerate tastes. Today it's just some chick with a high forehead, goat/ram horns, a tail and wings... tomorrow you're fuckin' foxes and sheep and rolling d20s with JamesDixon's Casanova half-orc rapechild.

Human/Elf girl is all you need.

 

[Fedora Master]

Less bullshit more Tiefling pron

No no no. Tieflings are a fag race meant to corrupt you into more degenerate tastes. Today it's just some chick with a high forehead, goat/ram horns, a tail and wings... tomorrow you're fuckin' foxes and sheep and rolling d20s with JamesDixon's Casanova half-orc rapechild.

Human/Elf girl is all you need.

But with Critical Role specifically the humans are most often niggerish:

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Don't listen to Critical Role.

Don't play 5E.

Don't play with girls who want to be anything other than healer.

 

[Fedora Master]

Don't listen to Critical Role.

Don't play 5E.

Don't play with girls who want to be anything other than healer.

Wisdom

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Also this is a homebrew rule but limit the female's speech to maybe 40 lines per session. 15 if she plays ranger.

 

[Morblot]

But with Critical Role specifically the humans are most often niggerish

You seem to possess much knowledge on the subject of D&D cartoon porn.