Vapourware Codexian Game Development Thread

[jagged-jimmy]

My review of the Surface Pro 3 as a game dev machine:

http://artificerentertainment.blogspot.ca/2014/07/guildcraft-dev-diary-part-viii.html

Hey J1M, why did you decide to start with char gen and documentation? Instead of the most difficult (and fun) part - i.e. combat window and implementing/prototyping the D20 rules?

 

[J1M]

My review of the Surface Pro 3 as a game dev machine:

http://artificerentertainment.blogspot.ca/2014/07/guildcraft-dev-diary-part-viii.html

Hey J1M, why did you decide to start with char gen and documentation? Instead of the most difficult (and fun) part - i.e. combat window and implementing/prototyping the D20 rules?

I needed a fairly self-contained chunk of the project to become familiar with DaikonForge and determine if I would use it or wait for the new GUI in Unity 4.6.

It is also very difficult to 'show' a combat system that is half-implemented. Calculating d20 vs. AC or 2d6+4 damage is easy. It only gets complicated when you have characters with conditional modifiers, buffs that change weapon size, etc. All of those choices that reflect on the character sheet (+stats, spell slots, etc) are being polled from the character in the same way they would when it comes time to do a combat calculation.

 

[jagged-jimmy]

It is also very difficult to 'show' a combat system that is half-implemented. Calculating d20 vs. AC or 2d6+4 damage is easy. It only gets complicated when you have characters with conditional modifiers, buffs that change weapon size, etc. All of those choices that reflect on the character sheet (+stats, spell slots, etc) are being polled from the character in the same way they would when it comes time to do a combat calculation.

I'd say there is no need to "show" anything. Implementing the basic rules can be a decisive milestone. A prove you can do it, so to say. A test of your design.
And using the data in actual turn based combat might prove a total neck breaker. I.e. while doing the actual calculations, you might find out that your data design, which was pretty on char gen, is not flexible/generic/extensible enough.

I very interested in how you intend to tackle the combat design.

EDIT: showing stuff is fine, i mean - prove of concept is very important to avoid vaporware.

 

[J1M]

It is also very difficult to 'show' a combat system that is half-implemented. Calculating d20 vs. AC or 2d6+4 damage is easy. It only gets complicated when you have characters with conditional modifiers, buffs that change weapon size, etc. All of those choices that reflect on the character sheet (+stats, spell slots, etc) are being polled from the character in the same way they would when it comes time to do a combat calculation.

I'd say there is no need to "show" anything. Implementing the basic rules can be a decisive milestone. A prove you can do it, so to say. A test of your design.
And using the data in actual turn based combat might prove a total neck breaker. I.e. while doing the actual calculations, you might find out that your data design, which was pretty on char gen, is not flexible/generic/extensible enough.

I very interested in how you intend to tackle the combat design.

EDIT: showing stuff is fine, i mean - prove of concept is very important to avoid vaporware.

Well, you can only be aware of the progress that I 'show'.

I'm open to suggestions for future diary entries. Can you elaborate more on what you'd like to see discussed regarding combat design?

 

[r3jonwah85]

Been doing some dungeon stuff again, now a better implementation of "stairs" (all slanted paths are called stairs). They kind of look like the dungeons in Daggerfall.

 

[Mastermind]

They look nothing like Daggerfall dungeons (thank God, I can't think of a game with worse dungeon generation).

 

[jagged-jimmy]

It is also very difficult to 'show' a combat system that is half-implemented. Calculating d20 vs. AC or 2d6+4 damage is easy. It only gets complicated when you have characters with conditional modifiers, buffs that change weapon size, etc. All of those choices that reflect on the character sheet (+stats, spell slots, etc) are being polled from the character in the same way they would when it comes time to do a combat calculation.

I'd say there is no need to "show" anything. Implementing the basic rules can be a decisive milestone. A prove you can do it, so to say. A test of your design.
And using the data in actual turn based combat might prove a total neck breaker. I.e. while doing the actual calculations, you might find out that your data design, which was pretty on char gen, is not flexible/generic/extensible enough.

I very interested in how you intend to tackle the combat design.

EDIT: showing stuff is fine, i mean - prove of concept is very important to avoid vaporware.

Well, you can only be aware of the progress that I 'show'.

I'm open to suggestions for future diary entries. Can you elaborate more on what you'd like to see discussed regarding combat design?

Actually i am interested in technical stuff. How you going to break up combat in classes and so on. The most difficult part will be, i think, to find a "generic" processsing way, which would cover most of the rules (spells, etc.). Chaos is ensured, because some abilities and spells are tough to align with any "system", so how you will incorporate those (i.e. non-generic: non-damage/status effects spells) will be interesting as well.

Interesting, because i tried to do it myself. And while being able to handle most of generic spells (<lvl 2-3), something like Color Spray was very discouraging. While something like Fear mixes AI behaviour into spell processing. In other words: complexity arises from having those tough requirements on single actions/spells.

 

[J1M]

It is also very difficult to 'show' a combat system that is half-implemented. Calculating d20 vs. AC or 2d6+4 damage is easy. It only gets complicated when you have characters with conditional modifiers, buffs that change weapon size, etc. All of those choices that reflect on the character sheet (+stats, spell slots, etc) are being polled from the character in the same way they would when it comes time to do a combat calculation.

I'd say there is no need to "show" anything. Implementing the basic rules can be a decisive milestone. A prove you can do it, so to say. A test of your design.
And using the data in actual turn based combat might prove a total neck breaker. I.e. while doing the actual calculations, you might find out that your data design, which was pretty on char gen, is not flexible/generic/extensible enough.

I very interested in how you intend to tackle the combat design.

EDIT: showing stuff is fine, i mean - prove of concept is very important to avoid vaporware.

Well, you can only be aware of the progress that I 'show'.

I'm open to suggestions for future diary entries. Can you elaborate more on what you'd like to see discussed regarding combat design?

Actually i am interested in technical stuff. How you going to break up combat in classes and so on. The most difficult part will be, i think, to find a "generic" processsing way, which would cover most of the rules (spells, etc.). Chaos is ensured, because some abilities and spells are tough to align with any "system", so how you will incorporate those (i.e. non-generic: non-damage/status effects spells) will be interesting as well.

Interesting, because i tried to do it myself. And while being able to handle most of generic spells (<lvl 2-3), something like Color Spray was very discouraging. While something like Fear mixes AI behaviour into spell processing. In other words: complexity arises from having those tough requirements on single actions/spells.

This is a good point. As I started working on this project I attempted to locate some sources that discussed the best ways to go about building a complicated RPG combat engine. There was very little information out there, and the stuff that was available could be used to build a JRPG at best. The stats were all consolidated into basic HP/Damage numbers. (Sword +5 damage, Fireball 16-20 dmg, etc.) Certainly not the type of system you would build to simulate the complexity of an RPG character from a pen & paper game.

I wouldn't consider myself an expert at building this type of system, but I do have some ideas for calculating cumulative bonuses of mixed types and incorporating items that override the rules (ie. Belt of Giant Strength sets your STR to 21) in a generic way.

The post I'm writing now is about a nasty Unity serialization bug I encountered. Now that I have that solved, I can move onto more of the combat engine. I will try to include some of the content you requested in my post at the end of the month.

 

[J1M]

On a related note, here is a link to that new dev diary:

http://artificerentertainment.blogspot.ca/2014/08/guildcraft-dev-diary-part-ix.html

 

[jcd]

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[Mastermind]

I shelved that previous project because I don't know how to program certain things and started making a top-down shooter.

Looks like an adult vagina shooting menstrual blood at smaller, perhaps prepubescent ones. David Gaider would approve.

 

[jcd]

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[Mastermind]

what is the third weapon and why don't you ever use it

 

[jcd]

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[Baron]

What's it called? Bum Invaders?

 

[jcd]

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[shihonage]

Looks almost like "Asteroids" clone.

 

[jcd]

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[Zep Zepo]

Look at those jaggies! Needs more AA!

Spoiler

Zep--

 

[Mastermind]

changed the placeholder art and perspective

i think this looks much better than rotated sprites

Overhead shooters are for people who value gameplay above all else. Isometric is for graphic whores.

 

[eric__s]

Spent today doing a soundtrack for a Ludum Dare game jam game called Honko's Worlds. I made 3 chiptunes and I liked one of them so much that I decided to remake it - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2957395/ooze2.mp3

I'm going to keep working on it and I'll probably end up using it in Barkley 2.

 

[Destroid]

I made a similar(ish) game for a LD a while back. The way we handled the troops was to give each different type (of 3) a specific behaviour, rather than giving you any direct control. One type would seek enemy troops, one would seek buildings, and the third turned into a turret after a few moves.

http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-28/?action=preview&uid=20783

 

[jcd]

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[J1M]

The first part of a topic suggested by jagged-jimmy on building a generic way to process the chaos of P&P rule systems:

http://artificerentertainment.blogspot.ca/2014/08/guildcraft-dev-diary-part-x.html