Blizzard announced "Classic" World of Warcraft

[Manjuice Nutella]

Compare that to Bloodthirsty Savages reinvented-by-WC3 to Noble Savages, sharing land with weed-smoking Jamaican voodoo doctors, Schuonian Plains Indians, although quite beefed up cool and, uhm... jews? Also 25% of Alliance races is fucking Gnomes. Even after all these years, it still boggles my mind.

That's the problem though. If Horde had the bloodthirsty savages from WC1/WC2 that had all sorts of crazy shit like suicidal Muslim goblins, evil (not this 'misunderstood' bullshit) undead that summoned tornadoes all over and ogre-magi then I'd roll Horde 100%. It's when they tried to make them look all noble and honorable that Horde became an uglier version of the Alliance.

They've been defanged. And Taurens are lame. They should've been ogres. We all know it.

Alliance has pretty much the whole Fellowship of the Ring in terms of races. Horde? They just have goofy caricatures that are rejects of society. Orcs are black people that destroy property, Trolls are Jamaican stoners that squat in other peoples homes which is double true since they don't have a capital city of their own, Tauren are Natives but don't smell as bad, Undead are school shooters.

But Alliance has you being Aragorn and shit. They even have Paladins. Literally the most HEROIC faction out there. Horde get Shamans. SHAMANS. "Me heal you. Me put rocks on your head and smear coconut juice over body. You heal up in morning or we move to frogs." LAME.

I pretty much disagree with every single point you have made, however I respect this opinion. No point though in expecting WC2 schtick when WC3 already laid down the threshold for entire WoW.

I however at any single point of even remotely thinking about Warcraft did not associate Orcs with nignogs. As a Potato, I always felt that Orcs are above all noble Polish Slavs, taking pride in their drinking stone and woodworking and Svetovid shamanism, while besieged on both sides by Soviet Union Burning Legion (even the name fits) and Germans Alliance (Thrall was even put in a concentration camp FFS, and don't forget the etymology of Thrall=Slav[e]), yet managed against all odds to reject political correctness demonic corruption, defend their kin and have their own homeland in this hostile world.

Although I agree that the most original and fun race would be Night Elves, mixing Neolithic matriarchy with Celtic and Japanese influence in a most tasteful manner. Ashenvale > all of Eastern Kingdoms.

I seem to remember, although I am not sure on this point, that the majority of players (and how big of a majority I'm not sure) back in 2004-2006 rolled the "good guys" faction (if we look at it through the lens of all these people having seen the LotR trilogy not long before). IIRC Night Elf hunters and rogues were by far the biggest meme (Xlegolasxx etc.). I much preferred Horde back then, and it seemed that Hordies were more likely to be griefer types and GenX metalheads and shiet.

Now, it seems to me the normies prefer Horde.

Well, yeah, the whole "Xlegolasxx" thing was pretty much taken over by storm as soon as Horde got Blood Elves, point taken.

 

[JBro]

I originally rolled Alliance because they had elf girls with huge purple tits LOL

My colleague rolled NE in vanilla and eventually created humans and Blood Elves females just so to strip them naked, walk around and do quests.

He probably touched himself to naked /dance.

We all did it.

 

[Hobo Elf]

I could never see myself rolling a Horde char willingly, or unwilling ever again for that matter. The only reason I ever did was because my friends went horde, but after a while I got so sick of all the mud huts and ebola that I just rolled Alliance and never looked back. Night Elves are by far my fav race, it's just too bad that they have been neutered from what they were in WarCraft 3.

 

[cw8]

My Druid was NE. Couldn't be bothered running a cow and wanted to see with my own eyes the zones that were featured in WC3 NE campaigns. Till now the places that still give the most nostalgia are the NE starter zones like Darkshore and Ashenvale. Blackfathom Deeps was pretty much my first dungeon and the 3 of us friends tried to clear it at a higher level.

 

[Lacrymas]

Making the Horde not bloodthirsty aliens bent on conquering Azeroth is what made the lore start to get kinda shit. A three-way battle between the Alliance, Horde and villain de jour (Burning Legion, Scourge, Nagas, etc.) would've been 10 times more thrilling than the "friendship conquers all" thing we inevitably always get. Grom Hellscream would've been a better leader for the Horde than Thrall (without the demon blood making them slaves that is).

 

[cw8]

Making the Horde not bloodthirsty aliens bent on conquering Azeroth is what made the lore start to get kinda shit. A three-way battle between the Alliance, Horde and villain de jour (Burning Legion, Scourge, Nagas, etc.) would've been 10 times more thrilling than the "friendship conquers all" thing we inevitably always get. Grom Hellscream would've been a better leader for the Horde than Thrall (without the demon blood making them slaves that is).

If you think about it the Burning Legion is at war with every other faction, so is the Scourge. And then there's the other major faction that's the cause of all problems, the Old Gods and the Void, who are of course also at war with everyone else. Mix everyone in and essentially Warcraft has become a Battle Royale.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Has blizzard said that they will keep updating the classic servers with added content like the expansions? Or will it be classic forever?

 

[Lacrymas]

If you think about it the Burning Legion is at war with every other faction, so is the Scourge. And then there's the other major faction that's the cause of all problems, the Old Gods and the Void, who are of course also at war with everyone else. Mix everyone in and essentially Warcraft has become a Battle Royale.

Yeah, but there's no Horde vs Ally thing, they are all too happy and ready to cooperate all the time.

 

[Ninjerk]

On Classic cast, I think, #32 (I remember hte number because they said it would be the last for awhile because they will be/are leveling) Omar and another of the head shits in charge said something to the effect that they had purposely avoided thinking about further developments.

 

[J1M]

As great as new content for classic would be, it would be far cheaper for them to release burning crusade servers.

 

[shihonage]

Because losers at Blizzard disabled MSAA on 1gb videocards, WoW Classic is forcing me to upgrade mine. Fake-AA technology like CMAA and FXAA produce noticeable shimmering and blurring on my 1024x768 CRT monitor. It's the tech/resolution I use both at home and at work due to an eye condition, so I need to squeeze the precision out of every last little pixel with MSAA.

Private-server-WoW looks very sharp with 8x MSAA.

 

[shihonage]

Has blizzard said that they will keep updating the classic servers with added content like the expansions? Or will it be classic forever?

AFAIK they are still thinking about it, but if they do, they will do it the smart way - release separate servers to which you migrate your character to, instead of re-starting the path of WoW decline by force-upgrading existing servers.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's kinda pointless to create new servers for people to migrate to because the classic servers will be dead in 2 months after that. It would be much smarter to upgrade the existing servers to TBC and open a few other fresh Classic ones.

 

[Wilian]

Has blizzard said that they will keep updating the classic servers with added content like the expansions? Or will it be classic forever?

They've said they'll monitor the response to Classic and the community feel for bringing out future expansions, as well that with groundwork laid with vanilla it'd be really easy to do something like TBC. The last word is that community response determines it.

 

[shihonage]

It's kinda pointless to create new servers for people to migrate to because the classic servers will be dead in 2 months after that. It would be much smarter to upgrade the existing servers to TBC and open a few other fresh Classic ones.

What does this change, exactly? Aside from frustrating all players who never wanted to be force-upgraded?

 

[Lacrymas]

What does this change, exactly? Aside from frustrating all players who never wanted to be force-upgraded?

You get fresh classic servers as opposed to stuck-at-Naxx-forever ones.

 

[shihonage]

Ah well, I don't care for most instanced content in MMOs. As your proposed path would force my character to eventually retard himself through all the expansions and erase all my efforts, eventually ending up in level-scaled Todd Howard Land with zero gameplay value, I'm firmly against it.

 

[Lacrymas]

There really is no other alternative and no best world in this case, huh. Either we go through the same retarded process we went through already or the classic servers die because they are forever stuck in Naxx. The third option is give the chance to migrate to a TBC server, keep these ones at Naxx forever and open new fresh Classic ones, but I doubt they'll go this route, as they know the Naxx ones will die out in like 2 months after TBC comes out.

 

[Wilian]

My choice would be a seasonal server on few months cycles that will work a bit like Diablo ladder. Just transfer the characters into existing main realms after it's over. I wanted to do something like that back in my p. server days but rest of the team didn't want to put in the effort.

 

[Hobo Elf]

I'm fine with going as far as TBC but everything after that is a downward spiral into imminent decline and releasing wotlk + other expansions just means that we'll have to relive the horror of WoW becoming shit all over again. Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather not do that. My proposal, in an ideal world, would be that Blizz would make TBC servers where you can migrate your toon from the Classic server, and then they'd start producing all new content that is strictly in line with Vanilla / TBC design sensibilities. But I somehow doubt that we'll get anything more than these Classic servers because Blizzard loves to shoot themselves on the foot constantly and they are too butthurt to admit that their current products are utter shit and the best thing they can put out into the market are rereleases of games that none of the current people working there made.

 

[Gregz]

Has blizzard said that they will keep updating the classic servers with added content like the expansions? Or will it be classic forever?

Lots of big debates and discussions going on right now about this.

Blizz said they will "listen to the fans", so everyone is chiming in.

 

[Gregz]

I'm fine with going as far as TBC but everything after that is a downward spiral into imminent decline and releasing wotlk + other expansions just means that we'll have to relive the horror of WoW becoming shit all over again. Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather not do that. My proposal, in an ideal world, would be that Blizz would make TBC servers where you can migrate your toon from the Classic server, and then they'd start producing all new content that is strictly in line with Vanilla / TBC design sensibilities. But I somehow doubt that we'll get anything more than these Classic servers because Blizzard loves to shoot themselves on the foot constantly and they are too butthurt to admit that their current products are utter shit and the best thing they can put out into the market are rereleases of games that none of the current people working there made.

There should be Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath servers available, with paid transfers. Just look at the private servers, there's demand for all of those.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

I'm fine with going as far as TBC but everything after that is a downward spiral into imminent decline and releasing wotlk + other expansions just means that we'll have to relive the horror of WoW becoming shit all over again. Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather not do that.

I recall the majority of people liking WotLK the most and I’d be fine with WotLK. However, The “downward spiral” is a nonexistent issue - if you look at private servers, it’s just Classic, TBC and WotLK. No one is interested in i.e. Cata servers.

On another note, what they should do, especially with shit such as potential WotLK servers, is to have “progressive/gated content” or whatever, meaning that I’d youre on 3.3.5 it doesn’t suffice to just grind 5mans to go straight for Icecrown Citadel, you’d have to do Naxx and then Ulduar. I think Classic is like that by design but I may be mistaken, I’ve played it for several months but then TBC came out when I was level 50-something, so once again I’m not sure.

 

[Lacrymas]

They are progressive servers. WotLK having the biggest sub count doesn't mean it was the best version, it started the decline, it had 3 filler raid tiers (out of 5), the gameplay went bonkers, etc.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

They are progressive servers. WotLK having the biggest sub count doesn't mean it was the best version, it started the decline, it had 3 filler raid tiers (out of 5), the gameplay went bonkers, etc.

I kinda agree but I still had a lot of fun with it, and I’d play a retail Wotlk just for Sholazar Basin alone, hell, I even enjoyed cata as it was not so bad when it came out (difficult heroics, I liked the zones, nice and engaging phasing etc). Most people associate cata with complete shit because of Dragon Soul going on forever, and it’s the ending that can ruin a good thing going on. Of course by “good thing” I mean, relatively, for what it was.

It was with MoP that I completely lost interest. I played a bit of WoD but it was just too much for me.