Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Rumors [CONFIRMED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Master]

It's not the same thing. BG1 has a "table-top with a not very creative DM" feel, while DF and Tyranny feel like a bunch of 15-year-old teenagers playing in the kiddy sandbox, trying to be mature. DF is Joss Whedon-esque, complete with smarmy "witticisms" and one-liners. It's what young, not very smart Americans steeped in modern popular culture would make and oh, boy, does it show. Tyranny exhibits this perfectly, the writers don't have a clue what they are writing about and don't have enough/varied life experience to do such a heavy topic justice, and the end result is apparent.

BG1 is also not immature, it's a reasonable campaign and the writing doesn't grate most of the time. It might not be all that good, but it isn't cringe-y. It doesn't try to tackle questions of colonialism, evil, the psychological and economic consequences of war, justice, personal responsibility in a seemingly unjust system, and whatever else they tried to do with DF and Tyranny.

BG tried (and succeeded) in being melodramatic and its writing reflects nerd culture at the time. https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Cultural_references Cringe is subjective.

Doesnt this just reinforce his point, that DF and Tyrany tried to be mature while BG didnt have any "heavy" themes? I didnt play them but i suspected as much.

 

[Infinitron]

Everything good about SoD came solely from aVENGER who no longer works for them

This much I can at least agree with. What is he doing now? Would love to play something more made by him.

He retired from the gaming industry and is working in IT in his native country.

 

[Lacrymas]

I doubt everything good is made by him, but I know itemization is one of those things. Good things about SoD - most of the dungeons; itemization; the goblin is fun and a unique companion in the BG saga; some good fights (the end fight is brutal on the highest difficulty); a little bit of race/class reactivity; multiple solutions to most major quests; varied random encounters; they tried to keep the writing style of BG, but it leans more towards BG2. This comes with the usual IE combat. The biggest flaw is the writing, obviously, but here's the difference - it isn't as bad as the other games I mentioned, and luckily they didn't try to shove in allegories to the immigrant 'crisis' and how immigrants are great. The parts that everyone knows, like the surfer dude and the tranny, are exceptions. The companions aren't changed as much as people think they are, there are no stronk womyn vibes from either Viconia or Safana, that's made up, there isn't even any gay sex.

DF and Tyranny's problem is that everything is designed around the writing, from the quest objectives, to the areas, to the pacing, to the structure. When the writing is as cringe-y and basic American millenialisms as it is, the whole thing is dragged down. It turns from an attempt at a grand adventure to a kindergarten sandbox, or a woke 15-year-old's understanding of evil.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

there isn't even any gay sex.

I don't even get lesbian porn in my games now because of leftists

 

[Xeon]

SoD gave Viconia a hot portrait so I am kinda grateful for that.

But yeah, don't know about the writing but the combat was pretty good.

 

[Lacrymas]

I don't even get lesbian porn in my games now because of leftists

I'm not 100% sure about that actually. I don't know how a lesbian romance with what's-her-face, the captain of the guard, or a gay romance with what's-his-face, the gnome muppet, go, but I know there's no sex with Dorn. I think they were trying to hold off on that, so it isn't overshadowing the BG2 romances.

tfw the leftist "propaganda" we are consuming isn't even good. Well, there were some fun moments in Dorn's romance in SoD, like when he says that the two of you standing bare-chested, covered in blood, turns him on, that was kinda hot, not gonna lie, and it fits his personality. I think he says that to both genders, though, so it's only propaganda when the PC is male.

 

[Immortal]

Besides, Irenicus is dead

> Villain
> Dead

I mean this is Larian we are talking about..

 

[Harry Easter]

Still don't think that Larian is working on BG3. Reasons below:

- The Divinity-verse became recognised as it's own IP after Original Sin 2, I don't think they would like to waste that on developing on a product that is very smiliar to their own and with a setting that is in direct competition with their own. Also: you know have your own detailed fantasy-setting, were you can do whatever you want, why restrict on another IP?

- Swen hated being the underling of a publisher, that's why Larian became it's own boss. Working with WOC would mean working with another publisher, but not on the same level as their partners for the console versions. Meaning restraints in time and budget. I don't believe that Swen would go back to that, especially after they made so much money with D:OS2, which is still selling even now. They also wouldn't profit as much from sales.

- Another fantasy game. I think Swen said at one point that he wants to try something new, so I don't think he will develop another Fantasygame that isn't part of the Divinity-verse.

My money is still on Obsidian. They seem to need the money more than Larian (why else were they bought by Microsoft?) and their games were closer to BG in spirit, than D:OS1 and D:OS2 ever where.

 

[Roguey]

they tried to keep the writing style of BG, but it leans more towards BG2. This comes with the usual IE combat. The biggest flaw is the writing, obviously, but here's the difference - it isn't as bad as the other games I mentioned, and luckily they didn't try to shove in allegories to the immigrant 'crisis' and how immigrants are great. The parts that everyone knows, like the surfer dude and the tranny, are exceptions. The companions aren't changed as much as people think they are, there are no stronk womyn vibes from either Viconia or Safana, that's made up, there isn't even any gay sex.

There is nothing there to admire. Women—real women, not the farcical creatures who exist in your fanciful tales of "romance"—like nothing better than being taken at their word. A courteous man bows and walks away from a woman who's not interested.

Corwin will romance male or female protagonists of any race. Conversation with her will eventually reveal that her last relationship was with a woman named Tianna, and did not end well: though she has previously been married to Beno Famari, the father of her child Rohma, a marriage which also did not end well

 

[kintake]

Tumblr level writing, holy shit that's painful. Those are the riposte of someone sporting pink hair and a personality disorder, not a child of Bhaal on an epic quest through Faerun.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Why are 1 and 5 written like they're narrated?

 

[Lacrymas]

Roguey, the first one isn't stronk womyn symptom, the PC options in dialogues are terrible throughout the whole thing. Besides, what do you expect the PC to have? "Ooogghh, you calling me wench turns me on so much, do it again"? "Oh, hey!"? "Hello to you too, handsome"? "I'm a level 9ish adventurer and have seen a bunch of shit, but I'm still going to allow you to call me a wench and be submissive" isn't very logical. "Are you talking to me?" seems a good compromise. I haven't come across that Safana quote. And we know Corwin is bi, so what's the problem there?

And again, these are minute snippets from the whole thing, even if they were all problematic and beyond redemption, and maybe they are, most of the time it isn't like that. AwesomeButton quoted a lot more stronk womyn quotes from Port Maje alone.

 

[Roguey]

Roguey, the first one isn't stronk womyn symptom, the PC options in dialogues are terrible throughout the whole thing. Besides, what do you expect the PC to have? "Ooogghh, you calling me wench turns me on so much, do it again"? "Oh, hey!"? "Hello to you too, handsome"? "I'm a level 9ish adventurer and have seen a bunch of shit, but I'm still going to allow you to call me a wench and be submissive" isn't very logical. "Are you talking to me?" seems a good compromise.

The problem is that you have one neutral option and then four variations on "fuuuuuuuuuuuck yoooooooooou." Agenda acknowledged, writer.

And we know Corwin is bi, so what's the problem there?

Baldur's Gate didn't have any gay people, now all of a sudden it's filled with all these bisexuals, pansexuals, gay gnomes, and long-necked black lesbians.

 

[FeelTheRads]

"Hello to you too, handsome"?

And why not? If they were not unfunny tryhards taking themselves so seriously about their jobs as SJW to bring an end to all injustice, it could've ended up in a funny exchange.

"I'm a level 9ish adventurer and have seen a bunch of shit, but I'm still going to allow you to call me a wench and be submissive"

Bullshit.
Option 2 is much worse than what you said in terms of submissiveness.
And also, I don't see the problem with a "submissive" option used deceptively maybe.

But nope, all options are pretty much "eeww evil men rape me with their words".

 

[Harry Easter]

Baldur's Gate didn't have any gay people, now all of a sudden it's filled with all these bisexuals, pansexuals, gay gnomes, and long-necked black lesbians.

I remember the gay blacksmith in Beregost ... but so? Suddenly LGBT people are customers. You take your money where you get it. But to be fair: Beamdogs newer written was quite bad. Sadly not the Two Worlds 2 - way, meaning entertainingly terrible (Dorn and that monk were especially terrible).

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeah, ok, if you want your character to be submissive or flirt with him back, sure. I already acknowledged the PC options in general are terrible and it makes the PC sound like a pussy every time. If just having gay people is the problem, I really can't stand with you on that one.

 

[Roguey]

I remember the gay blacksmith in Beregost ... but so?

? I don't. If there was something about Taerom that made him gay, it was incredibly subtle.

Suddenly LGBT people are customers. You take your money where you get it.

I don't see what prohibits gay people from being able to buy and enjoy works containing nothing but straight people. Why would anyone expect an interquel/enhanced edition to suddenly have a pride parade when the original games didn't other than "current year" nonsense?

 

[Harry Easter]

I don't see what prohibits gay people from being able to buy and enjoy works containing nothing but straight people. Why would anyone expect an interquel/enhanced edition to suddenly have a pride parade when the original games didn't other than "current year" nonsense?

You do know, that LGBT-people didn't just arrive with their flying saucers in 2014, do you?

 

[Cosmo]

BG tried (and succeeded) in being melodramatic and its writing reflects nerd culture at the time.

Characters were voiced and written like a saturday-morning cartoon, so i'd say it was over the top rather than melodramatic.
By the way, my last commentary was totally unironic, it was the right kind of childish writing, in some way it was a perfect fit, because here the impact, rather than the intelligence, is what truly matters.
And in an isometric RPG when you play around with your tiny little men, those have to have souped-up personalities to fill up the space, i really think it may be as simple as that...

As for the misguided agendas, aside from being largely an american problem, it's another proof writers need to reign in their pride and also to be given clear and comprehensive guidelines.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, it is current year nonsense, but it doesn't ruin the game. And like Harry said, they didn't include gay romances in BG2 because it wasn't so socially acceptable yet, and could only hint at these topics like with Edwin/a and that gay blacksmith in Beregost.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Besides romances and LGBT, all the stuff you BG fans love to talk about, the real incline would be to improve the formula.

For instance, if they had the balls to go turn-based, wipe romances out of the game and focus on the gameplay while making a bullet-proof engine which doesn't require interminable loading screens (like the recent "you know them" games).

 

[Roguey]

You do know, that LGBT didn't just arrive with their flying saucers in 2014, do you?

I'm in favor of people creating their own settings where they can establish that loud and proud queers have been around forever, but I'm very much against retconning settings because it's become en vogue to pander e.g.

 

[Xeon]

Edwin was gay? I mean he turned into a woman and was enjoying it a little bit but I don't think he was full on into men since he attacks the bard guy in the Coronet when he flirts with him.

 

[Lacrymas]

SoD doesn't retcon anything by adding LGBT characters, though. It might not be consistent with the type of romances that were available in BG2, but that's hardly retconning. It's way worse that they killed off Skie, which I think is a retcon.

Edwin was gay? I mean he turned into a woman and was enjoying it a little bit but I don't think he was full on into men since he attacks the bard guy in the Coronet when he flirts with him.

It's a transgender reference.

 

[Immortal]

Edwin was gay? I mean he turned into a woman and was enjoying it a little bit but I don't think he was full on into men since he attacks the bard guy in the Coronet when he flirts with him.

Me Thinketh the red wizard doth protest too much.

SoD doesn't retcon anything by adding LGBT characters, though.

I think the retcon was more to the spirit of the realms.. Transgenderism hasn't ever really been approached in the realms in a mature way.. especially when you can just magically swap genders whenever you want.

I think the issue is just the blatant pandering and shitty dialogue to push said pandering. Nobody would give a shit if one of your companions was just a Mulan-esque character.. a female posing as a male.

It's the holier than thou " WHEN I WAS BORN A MAN I FELT BLAH BLAH"