Decline Worst travesties in the genre?

[luj1]

Oblivion - the beginning of consolification and dumbification

Fallout 3 - one of the worst travesties in the RPG genre

Fallout 4 - same shit but more logarithmic (even worse)

Skyrim - travesty to gaming in general, a half-broken unplayable mess

Pillars - made some critical errors, but in this group a very minor offender

Numenera - same

Outer Worlds - one of the worst incoming travesties

BG3 - probably one of the worst incoming travesties, aka the Fallout 3 of IE games (God forbid)


some honorable mentions - DA: Inquisition (was never a spectacularly promising franchise so who cares), ME: Andromeda (it was so good that everyone wiped it out of their brain memory)

 

[Gregz]

Dude, those are some of my favorite games

 

[luj1]

Just realized this list reads like rusty_cuckelford's top 10

 

[deuxhero]

Baldur's Gate: Failed to learn from the failure of Darklands and made its unplayable mess of a combat system popular.

 

[Crispy]

Allowing you to register here?

 

[PsychoFox]

I wouldn't call any of those games travesties, except maybe Fallout 4. Sure none of them are great CRPGs but each has at least something to offer. Even a bad RPG can be fun.

 

[Fedora Master]

Dragon Age II

 

[Curratum]

Mass Effect - marketing a dull cover shooter as an RPG is never a good idea.

Tides of Numenera - there are so many (pretentious and poorly chosen) words that I simply have none left.

Skyrim - a massive downgrade from Oblivion, which actually had its strong points, at least in terms of worldbuilding and locations.

the Piranha Bytes game - I will never stop being amazed at the ability of those folks to keep selling the same game for two and a half decades.

and now for the triggering finale:

FO NV - I don't care how many branching paths, quest resolutions or great characters the game has, it's the same abominable engine, spasm-inducing visuals and gunplay and boring, empty world.

 

[sullynathan]

>complains about dull shooting and gunplay
>likes witcher games

Codex never changes

 

[DemonKing]

A relatively late entrant but I think Underworld Ascendant could still beat all those other titles without breaking a sweat.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Dragon Age II

DA2 sucked because there was no encounter design. Every single fight was identical: baddies pop out of nowhere(sometimes they literally fall from the ceiling), you beat them, then more magically appeared.
It destroyed any point of tactical positioning because enemies randomly spawned on top of your ranged characters.
There were a handful of enemy types and all enemies were reskins of these. Spiders were just archers with spider skins.

Not joking about them falling from the ceiling btw:

This is how enemies spawn in DA2.

 

[Nano]

Oblivion - the beginning of consolification and dumbification

It started a bunch of years before Oblivion, dude.

 

[Beastro]

Worst transvestites in the genre?

Oh, travesties~

 

[vota DC]

Worst transvestites in the genre?

Oh, travesties~

Isn't the same thing?

 

[thesheeep]

Not joking about them falling from the ceiling btw:

This is how enemies spawn in DA2.

When your physics system sucks so much, you have to spawn entities 3 meters above ground just to avoid them falling through the floor...

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Not joking about them falling from the ceiling btw:

This is how enemies spawn in DA2.

When your physics system sucks so much, you have to spawn entities 3 meters above ground just to avoid them falling through the floor...

I think it was actually to make it look like they didn't spawn out of nowhere because that's not a typical camera angle. Every fight was wave-based combat where enemies just kept spawning, and it sucks. Still all around terrible design that heavily ruined the game for me.

 

[thesheeep]

Well... that's even worse, then
At least my reason was technical in nature, not just lazy design.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

What are you saying.

Those are legitly trained templar ninja division. They understand that the best way to win is through tactics which mess up enemies positioning.

 

[Modron]

On the fence but I think I would rather play NWN OC than Icewind Dale 2.

 

[Master]

Witcher 2 Kraken fight made me facepalm really hard, which i never did for any game.

 

[RaptorRex888]

Inquisition - single-player RPG's that play like MMO's combine the worst aspects of both genres leaving nothing of the good.

 

[Curratum]

Inquisition - single-player RPG's that play like MMO's combine the worst aspects of both genres leaving nothing of the good.

Dragon's Dogma - single-player RPG's that play like MMO's combine the worst aspects of both genres leaving nothing of the good. Fixed that for you.

 

[RaptorRex888]

That game had good combat, until it gets boring at least.

 

[a Goat]

Pretentiouscrap: Borement

 

[Curratum]

>complains about dull shooting and gunplay
>likes witcher games

Codex never changes

I'm not trying to argue about Witcher's combat, it was ok at best, but I'd like to point out that third person melee combat is very different to first person shooting and movement. The former can get away with a lot of clunk and poorly thought-out mechanics because it looks and feels better in terms of visual feedback and flair, while with first-person shooting, you need more razor-sharp design to make it worthwhile and playable.