Pathfinder What Would You Think If Owlcat Switch to Turn-Based Only for All Future Pathfinder Games?

[cyborgboy95]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous ends up being the last Pathfinder isometric crpg that has a real-time-with-pause combat mode, especially if Owcat's first turn-based-only isometric crpg Warhammer Rogue Trader sells well. Assuming more Pathfinder adaptions from Owlcat are on the table (Iron Gods pls), there is a good chance the combat system of these games will be completely turn-based with co-op option to boot, gotta chase that Baldur's Gate 3 money somehow, as shown by Rogue Trader implementing the co-op feature already.

I'm just curious how Owlcat Pathfinder fans gonna react if this indeed turns out to be the case? Personally, it's a non-issue for me, since I dropped Wrath of the Righteous in the middle of the Siege of Drezen after I got sick of the excessive amount of trash encounters the game keeps throwing my way on nearly every map, so a turn-based-only combat system for future Pathfinder adaptions from Owlcat will hopefully mean less trash encounters this time around.

 

[Abu Antar]

I don't mind either way. It's all about execution. I do think that if they do another Pathfinder sequel/game, they will want to add co-op, as it seems to be the hottest trend.

 

[Tyranicon]

It's a good idea. But... -looks at Rogue Trader thread talk about combat-



At least posters there seem positive that Owlcat will fix the game eventually.

 

[Serus]

First ask:
What would you think if Owlcat stopped to write hundred of pages of text and instead learned good encounter design and how to make AI
- instead of the OP question.

 

[Cryomancer]

Only if they don't go pf2e. Go gurps, or any retroclone or anything but not pf2e/5e.

 

[ferratilis]

With the amount of trash mob fights in their games: hell no!

 

[processdaemon]

I prefer RTwP by a mile, I don't think I would have finished either of the Pathfinder games without it. It was bearable in Rogue Trader but it's glacially slow and dull in their previous two games, plus I prefer the element of randomness that RTwP throws in.

 

[Erebus]

I would like Owlcat to switch to turn-based permanently, and also to stop making Pathfinder games.

 

[Gregz]

Who cares?

Owlcat are fags and their games are shit. They've done incredible damage to this hobby as a whole.

 

[Aarwolf]

Turn based only is ok, but the main problem is that they should stick to existing and tried ruleset (even if bloated one, like Pathfinder) and stay away from trying doing something on their own.

 

[Removal]

I would prefer if they nailed whole "QA" thing first
Isn't the combat in RT super broken?

 

[toro]

Who cares?

Owlcat are fags and their games are shit. They've done incredible damage to this hobby as a whole.

Unfortunately I share the sentiment. I don't think I will ever buy another game from them.

 

[processdaemon]

I would prefer if they nailed whole "QA" thing first
Isn't the combat in RT super broken?

It's broken, but for every ability that doesn't work there's another that's ridiculously overpowered so it sort of balances, just in a very chaotic way

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Definitely kingcomrade. I just want the execution to be good. Owlcat has shown that they are capable of both. Rather than fret over TB or RtwP, I'd much rather see them focus on improving their AI.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Even if it wouldn't be worth it on its own merits, it would still be worth it for the tears and rage of rtwp fags.

 

[mondblut]

Only if they add near-instant autocombat instead. If there is any excuse for RTS combat, it's dealing with an onslaught of harmless trash mobs without requiring player input.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

What would it change? If the writing is shite, and the exploration is shite, and the combat is shite, what difference do the combat details make?

Now a real time uninstall.exe in Fowlcat games, now you are talking.

 

[Lemming42]

Turn-based is obviously leagues ahead of RTWP as a gameplay system but Owlcat are circus clowns who cannot conceive of any kind of encounter design that isn't trillions of trash mobs rushing the party (sorry, Owlcat).

TB is king but only when devs bother to make interesting and unique encounters to go along with it. Fifty kobolds bum-rushing you every five steps is dogshit in RTWP and abominable in TB.

 

[scytheavatar]

Only if they don't go pf2e. Go gurps, or any retroclone or anything but not pf2e/5e.

Going PF2E would actually force Owlcat to deal with their excesses and learn to evolve their ways of making interesting combat. PF2E is a system where trash mobs get destroyed like they are nothing and fights against single tough enemy is where the real difficulty lies. It's also a system with tight maths and just increasingly a boss by 1 level increases its difficulty drastically. So Owlcat would have to be very careful with how they tweak things in that system.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I wouldn't be surprised if Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous ends up being the last Pathfinder isometric crpg that has a real-time-with-pause combat mode, especially if Owcat's first turn-based-only isometric crpg Warhammer Rogue Trader sells well. Assuming more Pathfinder adaptions from Owlcat are on the table (Iron Gods pls), there is a good chance the combat system of these games will be completely turn-based with co-op option to boot, gotta chase that Baldur's Gate 3 money somehow, as shown by Rogue Trader implementing the co-op feature already.

I'm just curious how Owlcat Pathfinder fans gonna react if this indeed turns out to be the case? Personally, it's a non-issue for me, since I dropped Wrath of the Righteous in the middle of the Siege of Drezen after I got sick of the excessive amount of trash encounters the game keeps throwing my way on nearly every map, so a turn-based-only combat system for future Pathfinder adaptions from Owlcat will hopefully mean less trash encounters this time around.

It's already how I play them. I played Kingmaker with the TB mod and then later, they just implemented it as a toggle anyway with official support in both. Whether they think it remains to be worthwhile developing both modes or not is another question. If they did though, it'd be nice if they tightened a few things up with encounter design and stats, but whatever.

It'd also be nice if they'd scope projects out so they'd release in a reasonable state from beginning to end instead of what they've been doing so far. Assuming they want to sell anything in the first year or so of release anyway.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I would personally like to see them keep both TB and RtwP. I have nothing against RTwP when implemented well. I mostly play that way in Pathfinder.

 

[NJClaw]

I would personally like to see them keep both TB and RtwP. I have nothing against RTwP when implemented well. I mostly play that way in Pathfinder.

I would personally like to see them keep only TB. I have nothing against RTwP when implemented well, I just don't want RTwP-enjoyers to gain any enjoyment from this life.

 

[Ladonna]

Before that they should revert to AD&D.

 

[lvl 2 Blue Slime]

I'd prefer a straight dungeon crawler Pathfinder game by Owcat, Icewind Dale style, create your whole party at the beginning.

 

[cretin]

It's far more important that they learn some encounter design and how to script AI that isn't obviously retarded.