Tyranny + Bastard's Wound Expansion Thread

[Fishy]

At every step, I felt like the game hadn't planned that the player could want to be loyal to Kyros/Tunon.

That's because it wasn't, it was patched in later.

I guess waiting for the complete edition on the cheap paid off once again then.

 

[Havoc]

Finally, I've played the game.
- Combat is overbalanced and not fun
- Story and plot is quite nice, with some exceptions
- Game feels unfinished, like it is half of a game, even with DLCs
Good for a quick playthrough or two, just use cheats to get past the combat and soak in the lore/choices.

 

[Prime Junta]

- Combat is overbalanced and not fun

IMO the problem isn't that it's overbalanced, the problem is that it's monotonous. The spell system has some promise but even with it everything is extremely rote and repetitive.

Also the Oldwall dungeons are just sad, almost like very early development blockouts.

Tyranny is the last hurrah of old Obsidian -- takes creative risks, has potential for greatness, but faceplants in a few critical areas.

 

[Havoc]

- Combat is overbalanced and not fun

IMO the problem isn't that it's overbalanced, the problem is that it's monotonous.

I would say both are right. It's monotonous because it's overbalanced. It feels like all the fights are the same. This system might have worked with a turn-based game. Original Sin had good balance but gave you options, combinations. This game also does it (with special abilities, companion abilities and spells combos) but it's muddled with the overbalancing, monotonous encounters. You can read Josh Sawyer in every combat log line.

 

[Prime Junta]

You can read Josh Sawyer in every combat log line.

Josh didn't work on Tyranny.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

- Combat is overbalanced and not fun

IMO the problem isn't that it's overbalanced, the problem is that it's monotonous. The spell system has some promise but even with it everything is extremely rote and repetitive.

Also the Oldwall dungeons are just sad, almost like very early development blockouts.

Tyranny is the last hurrah of old Obsidian -- takes creative risks, has potential for greatness, but faceplants in a few critical areas.

I sometimes wish to replay and finally finish it in Story Mode, but then remember how awful and stupid was combat and Pillars Spires thing, and, like, no way.

 

[Havoc]

You can read Josh Sawyer in every combat log line.

Josh didn't work on Tyranny.

It still feels like it. For me, PoE 1 and 2 feel the same as Tyranny in sense of gameplay/combat.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

You can read Josh Sawyer in every combat log line.

Josh didn't work on Tyranny.

It still feels like it. For me, PoE 1 and 2 feel the same as Tyranny in sense of gameplay/combat.

Yeah, if you play them in line (poe-tyranny-deadfire), it is almost literally the same thing, becoming worse and worse.

 

[Haplo]

You can read Josh Sawyer in every combat log line.

Josh didn't work on Tyranny.

It still feels like it. For me, PoE 1 and 2 feel the same as Tyranny in sense of gameplay/combat.

The systems are similar but different.
Spell system is entirely different for example. Tyranny more creative and cool... so what if there are no actual interesting encounters to use it in.
PoE 1/2 actually had interesting combat sometimes. White March was the highlight for me.
Also there are differences in what attributes impact (Might/Int) and critical ratios/conversions.

 

[Prime Junta]

Tyranny more creative and cool

More creative for sure, but cooler? Not really IMO. The problem is that ultimately there aren't that many toys to play with. The spells end up a pretty monotonous optimisation problem, and you end up blasting the same few spells in the same sequence every time. With Pillars' per-rest magic and much bigger variety of spell effects magic was more fun to play with IMO. Deadfire cut the balls off it by making everything per-encounter of course, which meant that you'd once again end up using the same few spells in the same order for most encounters.

I've said it before but it bears saying again -- Josh really doesn't grok the importance of per-rest magic in this type of game.

 

[Haplo]

I mean cool like in able to create some OP effects, like spells with aoe that bounce several times...
Breaking systems kinda cool. I agree its not "systemic" kind of cool that leads to meaningful game-play.

 

[Daidre]

I really liked spell system in Tyranny. There are a ton of effects and sigils + accents could totally change spell, like adding AoE on single target spell, extra effects or even turning nukes into weapon enchantments. IMHO, it is most creative combat thing Obsidian put out in the years. Reminded me of Morrowind spell creation.

Another cool part is how chosen plot branch and order of main locations affects mages repertoire - sigils are rare enough that it possible to play 2/3 of game without getting strongest ones, like Material Force or Chaotic Descent (persistent AoE).

 

[vortex]

I pray they do Tyranny 2 as RPG. There were talks about making it like strategy game which is pure blasphemy.

 

[Storyfag]

I pray to God that Paradox does something with the setting.

Crusader Kings type grand strategy with Archons in charge of factions/nations? Set in the years of Kyros' raise to power.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I pray to God that Paradox does something with the setting.

Crusader Kings type grand strategy with Archons in charge of factions/nations? Set in the years of Kyros' raise to power.

That could be neat if done properly, but eh...

 

[Storyfag]

Or something like the old Myth/Mark of Chaos games.

That indeed is another logical step, given that the Myth games are heavily based on the Black Company series... and Tyranny is heavily based on the Black Company series. Everything will come full circle.

 

[Prime Junta]

That indeed is another logical step, given that the Myth games are heavily based on the Black Company series... and Tyranny is heavily based on the Black Company series. Everything will come full circle.

Myth 1 and 2 were terrific. Myth 3 not so much (but it was made by a different studio).

Edit: jesus H, it was over 20 years ago, time fucking flies

 

[LESS T_T]

For some reason they changed small and big capsule art for this game on Steam: https://steamdb.info/app/362960/history/?changeid=U:14799366

From:

To:

edit: oh yeah it's on daily deal. 50% off.

 

[Delterius]

Tyranny 2 confirmed.

 

[vortex]

Let Owcats supervise Tyranny 2 after Wrath.

 

[Nano]

One of the panels there show people being impaled. That's something.

 

[Lady_Error]

That communist style art was weird to begin with and gave a totally wrong vibe about the game.

The new hopw roewur ne face is not much better though.

 

[Infinitron]

LESS T_T Any other recent random changes of Paradox game art?

 

[LESS T_T]

LESS T_T Any other recent random changes of Paradox game art?

None that I could find.

 

[SausageInYourFace]

Tyranny Grand Strategy Game confirmed.

ftfy