The Valve and Steam Platform Discussion Thread

[Mitleser2020]

"I regret to inform you that your Steam account cannot be transferred via a will."
Now, I was going to suggest that you can just give your designated heir the Steam login and password without getting lawyers involved⁠—barring a sudden tragedy or Knives Out-style scenario where your grasping heirs are at each other's throats trying to secure your estate, that should work perfectly fine. But it turns out that would be in flagrant violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
"You may not reveal, share, or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve," the document reads. And if that wasn't clear enough, it also refers to password sharing as a "violation of this confidentiality agreement" a little further down.
So you heard it loud and clear, folks. Unless you want to take on the mortal sin of breaking the iron law of End User License Agreement just as you slip this mortal coil, forever cleaving your soul from God, grace, and Gabe Newell, you just gotta let that library lie fallow after you're gone.
If, however, you insist on your progeny taking up your very same $1,500 Counter-Strike 2 AWP with some kind of ugly graffiti dragon on it, slipping your issue the account username and password in contravention of the sacred EULA you signed (no doubt having read the whole thing several times over), I suppose that's your prerogative.

Not really enforced, mostly there for liability.

Yeah, that answer is at odds with what happened to Shamus Young's account.

That bit of info was interesting, though.

So… I’m kind of morbidly curious now. Does anything special happen at all, or does Steam just assume you stopped logging in and blissfully keep your data untouched?

Pretty much nothing happens. Steam just lets the account sit there, it’s pretty much up to the family who gets it. You can pass it on to someone as an inheritance, or just let it collect dust. I suppose you could also delete it, but that seems like burning money. We’ve turned it into a ‘family account’ since he owned nearly a thousand games. I do kind of wonder what would happen if it got listed in someone’s official will? But, likely it would just be the giving of passwords just like the unofficial version.

The internet has made death very strange since much of the things someone ‘had’ can be in a digital space. This site itself is pretty good evidence of that.

 

[lycanwarrior]

"I regret to inform you that your Steam account cannot be transferred via a will."
Now, I was going to suggest that you can just give your designated heir the Steam login and password without getting lawyers involved⁠—barring a sudden tragedy or Knives Out-style scenario where your grasping heirs are at each other's throats trying to secure your estate, that should work perfectly fine. But it turns out that would be in flagrant violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
"You may not reveal, share, or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve," the document reads. And if that wasn't clear enough, it also refers to password sharing as a "violation of this confidentiality agreement" a little further down.
So you heard it loud and clear, folks. Unless you want to take on the mortal sin of breaking the iron law of End User License Agreement just as you slip this mortal coil, forever cleaving your soul from God, grace, and Gabe Newell, you just gotta let that library lie fallow after you're gone.
If, however, you insist on your progeny taking up your very same $1,500 Counter-Strike 2 AWP with some kind of ugly graffiti dragon on it, slipping your issue the account username and password in contravention of the sacred EULA you signed (no doubt having read the whole thing several times over), I suppose that's your prerogative.

Not really enforced, mostly there for liability.

http://disq.us/p/2yykbb2

MechMouse Orfez8 hours ago edited
Read the article... or the SSA
That forbidden, breaks the SSA and Valve can close your account and you loose the right to all your games.
Will Valve know, of course not, you could get away with it .. until something goes wrong and you contact support
People have already tried to give accounts to their kids only for them to be closed.

 

[Cyberarmy]

No point leaving my digital games, music and movies to my kids - they already mock me enough for what I currently play, listen to and watch so the chance of them finishing off my Steam pile of shame after I'm gone is less than nil.

Yeah, I'll just sell my account when I'm really old and spend the money on hookers.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Yet another reminder that you don't own anything.

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indu...llowed-to-bequeath-a-steam-account-in-a-will/

You can't take it with you, but you can't leave it for someone else either: Valve says you aren't allowed to bequeath a Steam account in a will​

News
By Ted Litchfield
published 46 minutes ago
All these unfinished, 75% off, 7/10 RPGs will be lost to time, like tears in rain.

(Image credit: Valve Software)

First reported by Ars Technica, ResetEra user delete12345 has made an interesting discovery about Steam libraries: we're not allowed to bequeath them to our loved ones in the event of our untimely passing.
Delete12345 asked Steam Support about the hypothetical scenario, and got a clear, professional, but very disappointing response. "Unfortunately, Steam accounts and games are non-transferable," the support rep explained. "Steam Support can't provide someone else with access to the account or merge its access to another account.

"I regret to inform you that your Steam account cannot be transferred via a will."
Now, I was going to suggest that you can just give your designated heir the Steam login and password without getting lawyers involved⁠—barring a sudden tragedy or Knives Out-style scenario where your grasping heirs are at each other's throats trying to secure your estate, that should work perfectly fine. But it turns out that would be in flagrant violation of the Steam Subscriber Agreement.
"You may not reveal, share, or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve," the document reads. And if that wasn't clear enough, it also refers to password sharing as a "violation of this confidentiality agreement" a little further down.
So you heard it loud and clear, folks. Unless you want to take on the mortal sin of breaking the iron law of End User License Agreement just as you slip this mortal coil, forever cleaving your soul from God, grace, and Gabe Newell, you just gotta let that library lie fallow after you're gone.
If, however, you insist on your progeny taking up your very same $1,500 Counter-Strike 2 AWP with some kind of ugly graffiti dragon on it, slipping your issue the account username and password in contravention of the sacred EULA you signed (no doubt having read the whole thing several times over), I suppose that's your prerogative.

And keep in mind, Valve are the good guys when it comes to the digital landscape.




























Yeah.

 

[mediocrepoet]

*Before we can create your Microsoft Steam account, you must provide an up-to-date rectal scan and sperm sample*

Oh thank God. I used to feel like a pervert for mailing that stuff to them.

 

[Elttharion]

No point leaving my digital games, music and movies to my kids - they already mock me enough for what I currently play, listen to and watch so the chance of them finishing off my Steam pile of shame after I'm gone is less than nil.

Wow, dad was really into japanese porn games

No thanks, I'll take my steam library to the grave

 

[Caim]

No point leaving my digital games, music and movies to my kids - they already mock me enough for what I currently play, listen to and watch so the chance of them finishing off my Steam pile of shame after I'm gone is less than nil.

Wow, dad was really into japanese porn games

No thanks, I'll take my steam library to the grave

Imagine having your homie die and he leaves you his Steam account, except it's 500 shitty furry porn games he bought as a joke.

And then Gaben closes it because fuck you.

 

[Gerrard]

So if you're just leasing the games why do you have to pay sales tax on them?

You think services are not taxed?

 

[Average Manatee]

*Before we can create your Microsoft Steam account, you must provide an up-to-date rectal scan and sperm sample*

That's one way to keep the women and kids out of PC gaming.

 

[Mitleser2020]

MechMouse
Read the article... or the SSA
That forbidden, breaks the SSA and Valve can close your account and you loose the right to all your games.
Will Valve know, of course not, you could get away with it .. until something goes wrong and you contact support
People have already tried to give accounts to their kids only for them to be closed.

BTW

That line

"You may not reveal, share, or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve,"

You can thank me for that

When the appalling bad Steam Family Sharing and Family View went live, the way they worked (contrary to 50 years of basic administrative System design) required a Parent to access a Child's account in order to set the family View PIN. This act was in violation of the SSA at the time.

I pointed this out (bear in mind there had been open beta for 12 months at this point) and less than a week later the SSA was updated with this line.

Also note, this didn't actually fix the legal/technical flaw, since nowhere have Valve given permission to users for this exemption....

 

[DemonKing]

Yeah, I'll just sell my account when I'm really old and spend the money on hookers.

...and viagra?

 

[Lyric Suite]

BTW, we all know why the urilanists are asking for Microsoft to buy Valve.

It's because Gabe is a libertarian and won't impose the kind of censorship they want. If Microsoft was in charge shit like curators focusing on warning people about games associated with SBI or other DEI stuff wouldn't be allowed.

 

[catfood]

BTW, we all know why the urilanists are asking for Microsoft to buy Valve.

It's because Gabe is a libertarian and won't impose the kind of censorship they want. If Microsoft was in charge shit like curators focusing on warning people about games associated with SBI or other DEI stuff wouldn't be allowed.

no, it's to kill Proton

Yes, and this goes hand in hand with Microshit's recent announcement about Copilot and Recall. They don't want gamers to have an option to migrate to Linux if they don't want AI spyware on their computer. Microshit would definitely put an end to Steam on Linux, possibly cutting out the Linux Steam client entirely. For most Linux gaymers this would be a death sentence because they're too dumb to realize that PC gaming is more than just Steam and multiplayer games.

 

[ultimanecat]

It can be both. MS would want Steam because Steam is becoming a direct threat to Windows staying relevant to anyone except people using Excel in an office. But alongside Microsoft’s financial motives, they would bring an entire corporate bureaucracy that’s currently dedicated to making shit lame and gay.

Journalists would push for this because they hate that Gabe isn’t heavy handed about what sells on Steam and has kept some the more retarded impulses of his Seattle techie workforce under his thumb when it comes to how the store runs. Remember how hard journos pushed for Epic? It was ostensibly because Epic pays more but also because Epic actively curates EGS and probably has content managers willing to be influenced by the midwits at Kotaku.

 

[Alphard]

It can be both. MS would want Steam because Steam is becoming a direct threat to Windows staying relevant to anyone except people using Excel in an office. But alongside Microsoft’s financial motives, they would bring an entire corporate bureaucracy that’s currently dedicated to making shit lame and gay.

Journalists would push for this because they hate that Gabe isn’t heavy handed about what sells on Steam and has kept some the more retarded impulses of his Seattle techie workforce under his thumb when it comes to how the store runs. Remember how hard journos pushed for Epic? It was ostensibly because Epic pays more but also because Epic actively curates EGS and probably has content managers willing to be influenced by the midwits at Kotaku.

time to sell steam account. is it even possible?

 

[Kev Inkline]

The moment Micro$oft bought Valve I'd torrent each game in my library worth it. Maybe even those not worth it. That'd be also 0 purchases in the future.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Is there easy way to find out which games don't need Steam client to run?

 

[ind33d]

if proton keeps getting updated there is zero reason to use Windows

 

[Hobknobling]

Is there easy way to find out which games don't need Steam client to run?

https://af.gog.com/forum/general/steam_games_you_can_play_without_the_steam_client?as=1649904300
https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

The GOG forums had this effort of cataloging them, but the thread got locked and it is hosted on Fandom (yuck). DRM is never really forced on Steam and it is up to the developer to decide so that means that there is this constant on-going flood of new (indie) games that would have to be manually tested for the DRM status.

 

[Lutte]

The moment Micro$oft bought Valve I'd torrent each game in my library worth it. Maybe even those not worth it. That'd be also 0 purchases in the future.

Just keep this in a corner of your drive, no need to redownload every single thing :
https://github.com/BigBoiCJ/SteamAutoCracker

A lot of games either have no DRM, but won't launch without steam because they haven't implemented things like achievement support as an "optional" feature (use Goldberg Emulator to replace the steam api library when games have a hard dependency on steam for its features), or have the basic steam DRM which has been cracked to death in a generic way (the same tool, Steamless, will remove that DRM on any and all steam games which is far more convenient than hunting for individual game cracks).

SAC will automatically setup both goldberg and steamless for your games. Try it and only bother with downloading torrents if it doesn't work. SAC will manage to keep most of your steam library alive even in the event of Steam going down.

It won't work for games that haven't patched Denuvo or Enigma out, and some old times games with Securom or Starforce though. Personally, this would mainly affect me through Capcom's games, and frankly, fuck Capcom. They're so hostile to their users they add DRM to very old games on Steam because they're butthurt about the idea that people can install a mod to their game.
You know what? I don't even support the ideal some pirates talk about when they mention "game preservation". I don't want to preserve games made by an asshole company. Even pirating their games is a form of support, keeps their brand in people minds (why do you think well known brands still buy TV advertisement?). What user hostile companies need to suffer is obscurity, not support. So, Capcom's games? Don't even crack them. Don't pirate their future games either. For the games you own on Steam : Uninstall, make private, hide from library and never talk about them ever again.

I've come to accept some light form of DRM that exists just to prevent "crime of opportunity" like a casual making a copy to give away to friends, without DRMs there would certainly be a lot more CTRL-C CTRL-V from normies, it's like having locks on your door, locks don't stop your hardened burglar but they sure work on preventing a random neighbor from thinking "hmm, guy's not at home right now, let's have a look and take a few things". But I won't take the sort of bullshit companies like Capcom pull on us anymore.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Does anyone else have difficulties viewing Steam forums?

 

[ds]

Lol they managed to fuck up the DNS entries for steamcommunity.com - the name severs for .com think it doesn't exist. Perhaps they forgot to renew the domain? Absolute amateur hour either way.

 

[Fargus]

First world multibillion $ company problems

 

[Alienman]

Been going on for hours now. So something must be truly fucked over at Valve.

 

[Fargus]

For at least 6 hours according faggit user posts.