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Hostages, really?
They will just be another strain on our economy.
I never said that the lizards wanted an alliance, but protecting the bears isn't going to increase our chances.
Nothing points at that the Ammoneth care at all.
The Phyrries wanted our help to defeat the lizards, remember?
If they truly have the Ammoneth's support they wouldn't have needed us.
They will just be another strain on our economy.
I never said that the lizards wanted an alliance, but protecting the bears isn't going to increase our chances.
Nothing points at that the Ammoneth care at all.
The Phyrries wanted our help to defeat the lizards, remember?
If they truly have the Ammoneth's support they wouldn't have needed us.
Option B.
No reason to war with the lizards as of yet, but the bears might be useful in their own right. As specialized labour p'raps.
We've beaten them. Taken their tech. We have no real need for them anymore, and taking some of them in as refugees might be dangerous, but if the lizards demand that we hand them over, what's to stop us from doing so? They did attack us first, remember?
No reason to war with the lizards as of yet, but the bears might be useful in their own right. As specialized labour p'raps.
We've beaten them. Taken their tech. We have no real need for them anymore, and taking some of them in as refugees might be dangerous, but if the lizards demand that we hand them over, what's to stop us from doing so? They did attack us first, remember?
You don't think a possible alliance with the lizards may be worth their death?Jaedar said:
You'd think that the Ammoneth would have done something during our invasion or at least stop the lizards from exterminating them.
They just begged us to help them, how much clearer can it get?
They don't care about their bear friends and neither should we.
The Barbarian
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At some point, these Codex entries will be expanded upon.
***
Codex Entry: The Phyr
a.k.a.
URSIDAE HELIARCTUS EXTRA TERRESTRIALIS
Physical Description:
The Phyr are a robust race of ursine aliens generally standing between 1.2 and 2.2 meters tall, adult specimens of which tend to weigh more than eighty kilos, once fully developed. They are covered by a dense layer of fur, which points to a long evolutionary history with temperate, if not cold, regional climates. The color of the aforementioned fur ranges from a dull brown to a crimson red, though a genetic anomaly also intermittently produces an almost platinum colored coat in a tiny minority of the population. This minority is known by the colloquial term: 'the Sun Phyr'. They are uniformly esteemed by their peers, and are especially prized as mates.
As a species, the Phyr can be described (when compared to the Codexian natural baseline) as powerful creatures; energetically fast over short distances and remarkably resistant to many forms of trauma and are well shielded from cold temperatures. They are also possessed of six limbs. These can be characterized as a pair of primary arms, a smaller pair of secondary arms just below the primaries along the torso and, finally, a pair of immensely strong (if stumpy) legs. The smaller arms - known as the 'ninqueh' - can be used for a variety of tasks, but their most ostensible purpose is holding younglings to allow easy feeding access (for females) and transportation (for both males and females). Those younglings are produced via coupling between adult members of the two sexes. After fertilization of the female's eggs is complete, she will carry them for three months, while they gestate. Generally, a female will give live birth to litters of three to four cubs. Since they can theoretically birth such litters four times each solar year, the Phyr have copious reproductive capacity.
Other notable features of URSIDAE HELIARCTUS include their somewhat deficient cranial structure and sub-optimal neural system. While it is true that the Phyr have an excellent memory, their average intelligence is rated at below the human norm. In terms of their maturation process, the Phyr reach adulthood within six solar years of birth - but, conversely, can expect to live no more than thirty five solar years. The Phyr are omnivores.
Society:
Phyr appreciation for nuanced humor is low, as is their sense of physical aesthetics. They are naturally territorial and somewhat aggressive creatures, with a propensity for violence - such violence, however, rarely gets out of hand. It is merely a means of displaying seniority. These ursine aliens, in truth, have a complex, advanced culture that is irrevocably marked and somewhat dominated by the higher concepts of honour and gravitas (personal glory/worth/bearing). The eternal quest for the latter consumes many foolhardy young lives, while raising others to the forefront of Phyr society. Since families are vast and resources limited, familial kinship is given less emphasis in everyday life than personal friendship - which is considered a sign of independence and ambition, requiring greater effort on the part of the individual (and therefore being seen as more worthwhile).
The Phyr reside in dwellings built for extended family groups. These dwellings then form the communes that are the basis for social life on the microcosmic scale. The commune also happens to be the lowest level administrative unit enforced by regional governments. The Dominion, as a whole, is ruled by a 'Lord Prime', who is invariably the wealthiest, most successful and/or most famous Phyr of his generation. Since these qualities are relatively subjective, the Council of Notables that elects the Lord Prime tends to fall out quite often. At times, civil strife is the direct result.
It should be noted that the Phyr practice a form of ancestor worship, but no recognized 'deities'.
Technology:
The Phyr, to put it bluntly, are not known for their technological prowess. Having been gifted with their most advanced devices (i.e. the stealth field generators), the Phyr are better known for the grand scale of their construction projects, than any other achievement in the technical field. Those projects, however, are duly impressive. The ursine aliens do not only manufacture massive stealth carriers, but also truly vast buildings (Phyr arcologies are legendary) and public works. Generally speaking, their propulsion technologies consist of low grade FTL and sub-light drives. Their sensor technologies should not be spoken of in the same breath as their Codexian equivalent. And, although Phyr weapons are not to be regarded lightly, their limited tactical utility has been decisively exposed.
***
Codex Entry: The Phyr
a.k.a.
URSIDAE HELIARCTUS EXTRA TERRESTRIALIS
Physical Description:
The Phyr are a robust race of ursine aliens generally standing between 1.2 and 2.2 meters tall, adult specimens of which tend to weigh more than eighty kilos, once fully developed. They are covered by a dense layer of fur, which points to a long evolutionary history with temperate, if not cold, regional climates. The color of the aforementioned fur ranges from a dull brown to a crimson red, though a genetic anomaly also intermittently produces an almost platinum colored coat in a tiny minority of the population. This minority is known by the colloquial term: 'the Sun Phyr'. They are uniformly esteemed by their peers, and are especially prized as mates.
As a species, the Phyr can be described (when compared to the Codexian natural baseline) as powerful creatures; energetically fast over short distances and remarkably resistant to many forms of trauma and are well shielded from cold temperatures. They are also possessed of six limbs. These can be characterized as a pair of primary arms, a smaller pair of secondary arms just below the primaries along the torso and, finally, a pair of immensely strong (if stumpy) legs. The smaller arms - known as the 'ninqueh' - can be used for a variety of tasks, but their most ostensible purpose is holding younglings to allow easy feeding access (for females) and transportation (for both males and females). Those younglings are produced via coupling between adult members of the two sexes. After fertilization of the female's eggs is complete, she will carry them for three months, while they gestate. Generally, a female will give live birth to litters of three to four cubs. Since they can theoretically birth such litters four times each solar year, the Phyr have copious reproductive capacity.
Other notable features of URSIDAE HELIARCTUS include their somewhat deficient cranial structure and sub-optimal neural system. While it is true that the Phyr have an excellent memory, their average intelligence is rated at below the human norm. In terms of their maturation process, the Phyr reach adulthood within six solar years of birth - but, conversely, can expect to live no more than thirty five solar years. The Phyr are omnivores.
Society:
Phyr appreciation for nuanced humor is low, as is their sense of physical aesthetics. They are naturally territorial and somewhat aggressive creatures, with a propensity for violence - such violence, however, rarely gets out of hand. It is merely a means of displaying seniority. These ursine aliens, in truth, have a complex, advanced culture that is irrevocably marked and somewhat dominated by the higher concepts of honour and gravitas (personal glory/worth/bearing). The eternal quest for the latter consumes many foolhardy young lives, while raising others to the forefront of Phyr society. Since families are vast and resources limited, familial kinship is given less emphasis in everyday life than personal friendship - which is considered a sign of independence and ambition, requiring greater effort on the part of the individual (and therefore being seen as more worthwhile).
The Phyr reside in dwellings built for extended family groups. These dwellings then form the communes that are the basis for social life on the microcosmic scale. The commune also happens to be the lowest level administrative unit enforced by regional governments. The Dominion, as a whole, is ruled by a 'Lord Prime', who is invariably the wealthiest, most successful and/or most famous Phyr of his generation. Since these qualities are relatively subjective, the Council of Notables that elects the Lord Prime tends to fall out quite often. At times, civil strife is the direct result.
It should be noted that the Phyr practice a form of ancestor worship, but no recognized 'deities'.
Technology:
The Phyr, to put it bluntly, are not known for their technological prowess. Having been gifted with their most advanced devices (i.e. the stealth field generators), the Phyr are better known for the grand scale of their construction projects, than any other achievement in the technical field. Those projects, however, are duly impressive. The ursine aliens do not only manufacture massive stealth carriers, but also truly vast buildings (Phyr arcologies are legendary) and public works. Generally speaking, their propulsion technologies consist of low grade FTL and sub-light drives. Their sensor technologies should not be spoken of in the same breath as their Codexian equivalent. And, although Phyr weapons are not to be regarded lightly, their limited tactical utility has been decisively exposed.
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Indeed, the phyrries as a race are pathetic, having only survived for as long as they have due to their gifts. But as tool in the hands of the right codexians(that would be us) they could be of immense value. That they posess less intelligence than the average Codexian should also make it easier to subjegate them into slavery in the long term should we so wish. And since they live short lives, we should be able to accomplish much in less than a century.
Or, we could just negotiate with the Lizards for the remainder of the race. We have no reason to believe they want to get dragged into another galactic conflict against an enemy they know nothing about, and that one crushed the furries faster than they. To the lizards, we must look mighty indeed.
Or, we could just negotiate with the Lizards for the remainder of the race. We have no reason to believe they want to get dragged into another galactic conflict against an enemy they know nothing about, and that one crushed the furries faster than they. To the lizards, we must look mighty indeed.
By protecting the bears we might never even get the chance to an alliance with the lizards.
This soley outweighs 'moral high ground' and political leverage.
Our economics will take an impact if we must help refugees.
This isn't a few people, a tribe or even a single nation.
This is an entire race we are talking about here.
They want to live on our planets.
Who knows, protecting them might even lead to a war with the lizards, something we most likely won't win.
As you said, the lizards haven't even made contact with us yet. Perhaps they won't even try, and go straight for the survivors.
This soley outweighs 'moral high ground' and political leverage.
Our economics will take an impact if we must help refugees.
This isn't a few people, a tribe or even a single nation.
This is an entire race we are talking about here.
They want to live on our planets.
Who knows, protecting them might even lead to a war with the lizards, something we most likely won't win.
As you said, the lizards haven't even made contact with us yet. Perhaps they won't even try, and go straight for the survivors.
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There are no guarantees the lizards will want to talk with us either way. We had a treaty of friendship with the furries, remember? The lizards may think even that is enough to warrant our extermination.
We cannot deal with 'what if's we must focus on the situation at hand, acquiring the furries as ours, we stand much to gain, that is a fact. By sacrificing them, we may stand to gain something. But we don't know what that something is, or if we'll even get it. Don't wager with our great empire, please Jack.
We cannot deal with 'what if's we must focus on the situation at hand, acquiring the furries as ours, we stand much to gain, that is a fact. By sacrificing them, we may stand to gain something. But we don't know what that something is, or if we'll even get it. Don't wager with our great empire, please Jack.
Jack said:
That is exactly why we do not want to ally ourselves with them. They are too powerful to trust close - and they don't expect us now. Either we attack them, or we keep the hell away from them until we've expanded sufficiently.
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The Raumen allied with us, despite being way more powerful than we are.root said:
But you still bring up a good point, the lizard empire is far away, especially considering all the burnt planets they leave in their wake, trading is out of the question because of this massive distance, or at least not very interesting because of it. And what else have we got to offer the lizardmen? Nothing. Now, if we capture the bears, we do have something to offer. Remember our territory is far from their space, and fighting such a war is logistically difficult for them(or so we must assume).
There are no guarantees at all, councillor.Jaedar said:
What makes you think that the Phyr won't turn on us once in safety?
And what do we really have to gain on saving them?
Yes, with the Raumen and possibly the Ammoreth.root said:
Why?
We fought our way into the center of the Phyrrian warmachine and defeated them.
If we also let them have their revenge I think the possibility of an alliance is quite large.
Attack them?Grunker said:
Are you insane?
Such a war could only lead to our defeat.
Speaking of which, do you not see the benefits of having a strong ally to back us up?
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I think we have to agree, that we are wagering either way, i don't think it's sensible to attack either approach. This situation really doesn't have a good solution, only a compromise that may or may not pay out in the future.
(or we could go totally rad with Jack's proposal, but that really doesn't solve anything either but gives us time i think).
(or we could go totally rad with Jack's proposal, but that really doesn't solve anything either but gives us time i think).
Jack said:
I'm a politician - not a general.
Jack said:
I certainly do, but it seems to me that a race that defeated two other powerful species seems very dangerous to keep close. Read how they were able to defeat the Phyr and the Raumen again.
I'd rather not open our borders to them.
I'd rather have them as our ally than an enemy. That much I know.Grunker said:
Having almost nothing to gain by saving the bears, we could risk to end up in a war with them.
Something I to all costs would like to avoid.
We just defeated their friends.root said:
It is a possibility.
Just because we didn't exterminate them completely you think that they will just let us go?
IF they actually do care about the bears they WILL attack us.
And if they should, they would probably be out after the Turanei too.
Excellent allies indeed.
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I still insist to keep alive the Phyr. What's more, not immediately stablish outright slavery, but give them a sense of purpose so that they're ready to die for Codexia. Do you know the Etherials? Or the Brave New World's unholy manipulation? Since they're xenos it should be allowed to apply these inhuman tactics...
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Let me remind you, dear Councillors voting for merely taking in the refugees, is that the lizards are on a campaign of genocide and annihilation. They may stop once they've purged the Phyrrie worlds, but they may also pursue us for taking them in. And we will have a war, in which we will not have Phyrries as our allies that will cushion the blow, no, we'll be on our own.
A similar thing may happen if we just let them die as well, mind you. Phyrries are wiped out, and with that, who is next to turn the gaze to? Why, us, of course. They've warred with every other race we know in our parts of space, do you think they will think of us as too cute to wipe out? Do you really?
The only way is to intervene. Intervention does not even mean war. The Phyrries were successfully holding them off until we came along and broke the unity of their defences. Remember, we, too, were outnumbered and outgunned - but we got back into the fray and we showed those bugs what it means to be a True Codexian! Certainly, the Phyrries are not at all as mighty and powerful an empire as ours, but we would give them a chance to take a second breath and strengthen against the common enemy.
In the meantime, it is not impossible that we might even end the war diplomatically, if we were to learn just why the lizards are so mad. Did the Pyrries destroy their homeworld? Or merely their porn archives that the Phyrries can replace with their own? Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. Think about this well. The risks are great, but so are the rewards.
And if we die in a fiery apocalypse of a war, would we rather die as a noble nation, or as a nation of cowards the closed its eyes on the dangers of space until they came so close they could lick our neck? Are we so fearful of losing our Kool Kredit Kard balance that even the mention of war that we can't win by farting in some furball's direction makes us quiver in our boots?
And should this not be enough, remember the crystalline aliens. They gave the Phyrries technologies to fight the war. They intervened, even though the lizards could well have turned on them for it. They dared, dear Council, they dared. Despite the lizards beating the Raumen. Are we worse than some mobile rock formations?
A similar thing may happen if we just let them die as well, mind you. Phyrries are wiped out, and with that, who is next to turn the gaze to? Why, us, of course. They've warred with every other race we know in our parts of space, do you think they will think of us as too cute to wipe out? Do you really?
The only way is to intervene. Intervention does not even mean war. The Phyrries were successfully holding them off until we came along and broke the unity of their defences. Remember, we, too, were outnumbered and outgunned - but we got back into the fray and we showed those bugs what it means to be a True Codexian! Certainly, the Phyrries are not at all as mighty and powerful an empire as ours, but we would give them a chance to take a second breath and strengthen against the common enemy.
In the meantime, it is not impossible that we might even end the war diplomatically, if we were to learn just why the lizards are so mad. Did the Pyrries destroy their homeworld? Or merely their porn archives that the Phyrries can replace with their own? Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. Think about this well. The risks are great, but so are the rewards.
And if we die in a fiery apocalypse of a war, would we rather die as a noble nation, or as a nation of cowards the closed its eyes on the dangers of space until they came so close they could lick our neck? Are we so fearful of losing our Kool Kredit Kard balance that even the mention of war that we can't win by farting in some furball's direction makes us quiver in our boots?
And should this not be enough, remember the crystalline aliens. They gave the Phyrries technologies to fight the war. They intervened, even though the lizards could well have turned on them for it. They dared, dear Council, they dared. Despite the lizards beating the Raumen. Are we worse than some mobile rock formations?
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Angthoron said:
-for what we know, the cristalline aliens could had given the stealth technology to the Phyr to prolong their agony and amusement as the cristal-thingies see the bear-men die horribly, trust not the xenos. We should wait for the state of the union before anything.
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I do not know what to say.
So we are now scared that the Turanei will attack us for either interfering directly with their genocide of the Phyr, or taking in Phyr refugees.
We are scared?
Again I must say, the war against the Phyr was too easy, and we were not even trying. Our brave men and women of the fleet deserve a harder fight, a fight for their lives, a fight that pushes them to their limits and allows us to form a hardened fighting force. Giving up a chance to fight now will only lead to weak fleets that over-estimate their capability.
Easy victories are not the way. Show our fighting force that there are other stronger and more terrible forces out there; show them that they have it in themselves to crush such forces, because they are Codexian.
So we are now scared that the Turanei will attack us for either interfering directly with their genocide of the Phyr, or taking in Phyr refugees.
We are scared?
Again I must say, the war against the Phyr was too easy, and we were not even trying. Our brave men and women of the fleet deserve a harder fight, a fight for their lives, a fight that pushes them to their limits and allows us to form a hardened fighting force. Giving up a chance to fight now will only lead to weak fleets that over-estimate their capability.
Easy victories are not the way. Show our fighting force that there are other stronger and more terrible forces out there; show them that they have it in themselves to crush such forces, because they are Codexian.
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