Saints Row the Fourth

[sea]

Volition was brought by a publisher, and that publisher is calling the shots. I don't think a modern game studio has any say in when a game is released.

You're right of course - it's not Volition who decides in this case. What happened was that Deep Silver saw "oh, you have a game in full production already and it's halfway done? yeah, we'll do marketing and fund the remainder of it." No company no matter how benevolent is going to say "you know what? spend another 3-4 years completely reinventing the game."

 

[MetalCraze]

Now the larger-than-life insanity of the Saints series gets a new twist with a catastrophic alien invasion, and the aliens have transported the Saints to a bizarro-Steelport simulation.

We've slapped some piss-filter onto Saints Row 3 map, please pay fifty bucks.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

If we didn't have expansions turned into full games, we wouldn't have Red Alert.

If we needed developers to start from scratch every time they start work on a new game, we wouldn't have Fallout 2.

If we didn't have developers hacking up games and twisting into something way better than the original, we wouldn't have New Vegas.

Creativity isn't always about creating something from scratch, it's also about finding new uses for existing creations.

 

[HanoverF]

What's the worst thing you can do with a recently acquired franchise? Release some padded out dlc/map pack and release it as 'whole new game'

That picture is pretty much how I see the codex, if if it had women.

Women in the pic are trannies.

 

[deuxhero]

While there isn't sticky cover, the mechanics are still very obviously "stay in cover or die" (it gets better when you get most of the health and damage upgrades in 3, but still very noticible). You are WAY too fragile (and most of enemies are too meaty even with upgraded weapons).

No, they're not. It's a sandbox game, if you don't feel like crouching, you steal a fucking attack chopper. Or at least a car. Seriously, it's not like this game is hard or anything. Unless you're in a fight with 15 fucking people at once. If you don't feel like taking cover in those situations, then you are the problem.

In free roam it isn't a big problem, but during missions where you can't (actually, in SR3 it's completely impossible to steal an attack chopper unless the mission calls for it or you completed on of those missions and have it at a helipad, as outside of missions no armed air vehicles can be found except hostile ones I have no idea how you would ever hijack) it's stupid (plus the damage isn't really balanced well. I was killed or nearly killed by light taps from cars that only hit me due to bad AI quite a few times).

Plus it's the severe disconnect with the tone of the game (everything can kill you, but the missions have you do things that are supposed to be pretty crazy)

 

[evdk]

At the time the really insane missions start to appear you should be highly resistant / outright immune to most kinds of damage.

 

[Roguey]

One last slam dunk before next gen.

I liked the core gameplay of SR3 more than 2's so as long as they didn't fuck it up in their crunch it might still be worth it...

 

[Clockwork Knight]

What's the point of being the President if you are transported to a simulation world?

Saints Row, GTA

Gangsta crap games. No, thanks .

Not really, no.

 

[Metro]

Cash grab by Deep Silver. Surprised?

 

[deuxhero]

At the time the really insane missions start to appear you should be highly resistant / outright immune to most kinds of damage.

Like jumping out of an airplane and shooting people during freefall for several minutes? Raiding a national guard armory?

 

[evdk]

At the time the really insane missions start to appear you should be highly resistant / outright immune to most kinds of damage.

Like jumping out of an airplane and shooting people during freefall for several minutes? Raiding a national guard armory?

I'll give you the intro, but the National Guard raid didn't feel dangerous at all, more like robbing a 7/11.

 

[Menckenstein]

If you don't want this game fuck you.

 

[Metro]

What if I want it... for $5?

 

[deuxhero]

At the time the really insane missions start to appear you should be highly resistant / outright immune to most kinds of damage.

Like jumping out of an airplane and shooting people during freefall for several minutes? Raiding a national guard armory?

I'll give you the intro, but the National Guard raid didn't feel dangerous at all, more like robbing a 7/11.

If it was the way it was portrayed in San Andreas, it would be one thing, but with the way it was done in SR3 was pretty dangerous feeling.

 

[Menckenstein]

What if I want it... for $5?

That's fine. I didn't specify any other criteria.

 

[Cassidy]

Like jumping out of an airplane and shooting people during freefall for several minutes? Raiding a national guard armory?

A-Team did all of that and more better. Including tank flying.

 

[evdk]

Like jumping out of an airplane and shooting people during freefall for several minutes? Raiding a national guard armory?

A-Team did all of that and more better.

Oh, SR3 has the free falling tank part too.

 

[Fat Dragon]

That national guard raid mission is really easy. Right outside the bunker is a huge truck with a minigun mounted on it, you can just roll right inside the bunker and mow everyone down with ease and not take a single hit. And I've never heard of anyone failing the first freefall mission.

Really, the game actually starts out pretty strong, but takes a nosedive right after you get your first homebase and never picks up again. Main story missions were very poorly paced and rushed, felt like there should have been more in there to flesh things out. None of the enemy gangs were given enough time to develop and become real antagonists, you even kill the city's highest ranking mob boss 1 hour into the game.

 

[MetalCraze]

If we didn't have expansions turned into full games, we wouldn't have Red Alert.

If we needed developers to start from scratch every time they start work on a new game, we wouldn't have Fallout 2.

If we didn't have developers hacking up games and twisting into something way better than the original, we wouldn't have New Vegas.

Creativity isn't always about creating something from scratch, it's also about finding new uses for existing creations.

Why none of your examples features an old map from a previous game?
Not that your examples are good to begin with since they are all inferior to originals.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

Why none of your examples features an old map from a previous game?

It was designed as a cash grab by an incredibly desperate publisher. A new map would take more than THQ could spend. Let's see if Volition have made something interesting under less than ideal circumstances.

Not that your examples are good to begin with since they are all inferior to originals.

New Vegas was a masterpiece. The fact that it was crafted from the remains of an abortion in such a short time is truly remarkable.

 

[MetalCraze]

It was designed as a cash grab by an incredibly desperate publisher.

Publishers now design games? Thanks for the heads up.

A new map would take more than THQ could spend.

But paying $50 or $60 for an old map is completely fine.

New Vegas was a masterpiece. The fact that it was crafted from the remains of an abortion in such a short time is truly remarkable.

True - ironsights were the only thing that Fallout 3 needed to become an outstanding game.

 

[evdk]

It was designed as a cash grab by an incredibly desperate publisher.

Publishers now design games? Thanks for the heads up.

Yes, along with focus groups. Where have you been? Mind you, I am not saying this one's not Volition's fault, but I find the assumption that publishers have no hand in design funny.

 

[MetalCraze]

Do you think a money counting suit has any idea about how game mechanics work?
All suit sees is that it's a GTA clone, plays like GTA, doesn't look like a polish shooter and has some fanservice, he sees GTA sales numbers and he goes like - OK, here's the money.

I find the assumption that devs are poor little flowers who don't want to grab more money by dumbing down or exploiting (like in this case) their game funny as well.

Of course if you wear pink glasses a scene where a volition dev in dirty, torn clothes desperately defends selling a DLC for 10 bucks instead of 50-60 against publisher who is twisting his mustache and laughing maniacally - won't seem ridiculous.

 

[RedScum]

 

[Metro]

How does one 'dumb down' a GTA clone? It's a GTA clone. Not as if Volition would otherwise be making turn based rpgs.