Vapourware Rocksteady's Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League out now

[VonMiskov]

I will just leave it here...

 

[Be Kind Rewind]

It's not Mr. Freeze anymore, it's Xir.

 

[rumSaint]

It's not Mr. Freeze anymore, it's Xir.

IT'S MA'AM!

 

[Modron]

New origin story is a DIY transition involving using dry ice, restraints, and rubber bands to freeze off his wang.

 

[Ezekiel]

Apparently, that's not Freeze, but Nora. Yeah...

 

[Elttharion]

Almost looks like the devs are sabotaging the game/studio lmao

 

[mediocrepoet]

Just more of those consultant fees being put to good use.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Apparently, that's not Freeze, but Nora. Yeah...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/nora-fields/4005-50698/

Pretty different from the comics.

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

Sure puts a new spin on Freeze’s opening from Heart of Ice:

“This is how I’ll always remember you. Surrounded by winter. Forever young, forever beautiful…”

 

[Ezekiel]

Apparently, that's not Freeze, but Nora. Yeah...

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/nora-fields/4005-50698/

Pretty different from the comics.

Didn't read them, but even that makes me cringe. Nora can be nothing other than the damsel in distress or concerned lover/ex.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Didn't read them, but even that makes me cringe. Nora can be nothing other than the damsel in distress or concerned lover/ex.

Nora was basically something they came up with for the Batman animated series that was such a good idea, it made it's way in to the comics. Having Victor Freeze accidentally and out of desperation turn Nora in to a monster is kind of cruel. It reminds me of the time that the Superfriends was really popular back in the 1970s, so they put Wendy, Marvin, and Wonder Dog in the DC comics. Then a few decades later, some writer with a stick up his ass about the Superfriends decided to make Wonder Dog an alien creature's disguise and he kills and eats Marvin in a really gruesome fashion.

 

[Ezekiel]

Didn't read them, but even that makes me cringe. Nora can be nothing other than the damsel in distress or concerned lover/ex.

Nora was basically something they came up with for the Batman animated series that was such a good idea, it made it's way in to the comics. Having Victor Freeze accidentally and out of desperation turn Nora in to a monster is kind of cruel. It reminds me of the time that the Superfriends was really popular back in the 1970s, so they put Wendy, Marvin, and Wonder Dog in the DC comics. Then a few decades later, some writer with a stick up his ass about the Superfriends decided to make Wonder Dog an alien creature's disguise and he kills and eats Marvin in a really gruesome fashion.

Meh. Sounds like there was nowhere to go with Mr. Freeze and they should have worked on a new villain instead of doubling down on his tragedy by giving him a Robin.

 

[Elttharion]

Apparently this is the leaked next character. Zoe Lawton/Lawless (get it, black character, lawless ) , aka Deadshot's daughter. Lawless is kind of an OC, iirc they called her liveshot in the comics so they will say they are not the same character despite sharing the same name.

Zoe Lawton in the comics:

 

[lycanwarrior]

 

[deuxhero]

Open, admitted propagandist trying to revise history to distract from the failure of his policies.

 

[Alienman]

Doubt he will mention the woke shit.

 

[Echo Mirage]

There was nothing in that article that wasn't already known. Rocksteady tried to do something they had no experience doing in a genre they had no business being in and failed. The end.

 

[lycanwarrior]

Doubt he will mention the woke shit.

Only when someone else mentioned it:

 

[Tyranicon]

"grifters who make money off your rage."

- game journo

 

[Caim]

Doubt he will mention the woke shit.

Only when someone else mentioned it:

This is the guy who called YongYea an "agent provocateur", while in reality Yong's a bitch so basic he can use his bare hands to turn lemons PH neutral.

 

[Elttharion]

Schreier is the kind of guy who believes the game failed because it wasnt woke enough. He also believes all games would be better if no one crunched a single minute ever and all devs were unionized.

Any AAA game will have dozens or even thousands of devs, he talked with two dozen people. The entire report throws the people who already left the studio under the bus and saves face for the rest of the devs who stayed.

Dont get me wrong, SBI is just the turd on top of the shit cake, Rocksteady is a terrible dev and they are ridiculously woke, the game would be infested with or without SBI. No one forced them to hire SBI, they arent holding guns to peoples heads demanding work. The devs hire them because the majority agree with SBI and think like them.

Also I see a lot of people saying that Suicide Squad floped because it was live service and that the game never had a chance, that Rocksteady being woke had nothing to do it with, the gameplay was the worst part, etc. Well there is another Batman adjacent game that was single player, with optional coop, plagued with the same problems (woke writers, retconning characters as gay, SBI was involved, etc) and that one was a flop almost as big as this game. Gothan Knights was another huge disaster and it doesnt have the live service or chaotic development excuse. Funny how Schreier focused on the low hanging fruit that was the failed live service game instead of the one that was a much more typical game. Perhaps if he focused on that one he would come to the conclusion that AAA devs are largely incompetent and the studios are infested from top to bottom with retarded DEI hires. Its much easier to say the leads sucked and live service games will fail instead of admiting that the entire industry is rotten to the core.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Yong's a bitch so basic he can use his bare hands to turn lemons PH neutral.

Quality insult my nigga.

 

[lightbane]

Soo, is this going to be another Forespoken case, a game so bad it killed its studio?

 

[PunchYouInTheFace]

"grifters who make money off your rage."

- game journo

He is correct.

That being said Suicide Squad fail simply because it's not good enough. Woke or Not Woke wasn't a factor.

 

[Infinitron]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-200-million-flop-haunts-the-gaming-industry

Behind ‘Suicide Squad,’ the Year’s Biggest Video-Game Flop​

After seven years of tumultuous development, Warner Bros. took a $200 million loss on the Rocksteady game.

Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League has been a critical and commercial failure for Warner Bros. Discovery
Photographer: Warner Bros. Games

David Haddad, the head of video games for Warner Bros. Discovery Inc., visited the London offices of subsidiary Rocksteady Studios in mid-February for an all-hands meeting. While previous gatherings with the executive had been peppered with tactful euphemisms, this time Haddad was blunt, according to two people briefed on his remarks. Weeks after its release, the studio’s latest game, Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, was tanking.

Haddad shared few details on the exact scope of the Suicide Squad misfire, said the people, who asked not to be identified discussing nonpublic information. But it didn’t take long for them to find out the extent of the damage.

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On May 9, during an earnings call, Warner Bros. revealed that it was taking a $200 million loss on Suicide Squad — making it one of the gaming world’s worst blunders.


Behind the scenes, according to interviews with nearly two dozen people who requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak to the press, the development of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League was a tumultuous affair, plagued by countless delays. The game failed for a number of reasons, said the people, including a constantly shifting vision, a culture of rigid perfectionism and a genre pivot that was ill-suited for the studio. A spokesperson for Warner Bros. Games declined to comment.

The costly miss could extend beyond Warner Bros. and “further deter investment in gaming by traditional media firms when they should be expanding,” said Joost van Dreunen, who teaches the video-game business at New York University.

The high-profile failure came at a particularly bad time for Warner Bros. Chief Executive Officer David Zaslav. The parent company of CNN, HBO, TNT and other cable networks was already grappling with challenges on multiple fronts, from plunging TV ad sales and struggling movie theaters to escalating sports rights fees and growing threats from AI. Over the past two years, the company’s share price had plummeted from $26 in April 2022 to a little over $8 the day of the call.

The games division was supposed to be a rare bright spot for Zaslav and his investors, particularly following the success of Hogwarts Legacy, an adaptation of the Harry Potter series, which was the best-selling title of 2023 and has sold more than 24 million copies. Instead, Rocksteady delivered a historic dud. For Warner Bros., it was a painful reminder that big, ambitious video games, like blockbuster-style movies, have the potential to amass both huge windfalls and gaping losses. On the call, Zaslav described it as a “disappointing release” that “overshadowed” the rest of the quarter.

Warner Bros. revealed that it was taking a $200 million loss on Suicide Squad Photographer: Warner Bros. Games
For years, Warner Bros. has been struggling to transform its DC Comics assets into a wellspring of recurring hits, much as the Walt Disney Co. has done with Marvel Comics. In August 2016, Warner Bros. released Suicide Squad, a gory sci-fi action movie based on the comic book series, which originated in 1959. The film, starring Will Smith and Margot Robbie, featured a platoon of villains strong-armed by the US government into a dangerous mission to save the world. It went on to generate ticket sales of $750 million on a budget of $175 million, a major boon for the studio.


Afterward, the company hustled to build on the momentum. At its gaming studio in Montreal, Warner Bros. already had a Suicide Squad video game that was struggling to gel. With the stakes heightened, Haddad pulled the plug and turned, instead, to the most prestigious of the company’s dozen video-game studios.

Founded in London in 2004, Rocksteady had grown into an industry darling thanks to Batman: Arkham, a series of games that was revered by critics and sold millions of copies. Following Rocksteady’s third and final installment, which came out in 2015, the studio’s co-founders Jamie Walker and Sefton Hill, eager to do something different, started working on a prototype of an original multiplayer puzzle-solving game, codenamed Stones.

Around the end of 2016, Walker and Hill told their staff there’d been a change of plans. Stones was out. Suicide Squad was in. According to people who attended the meetings, Hill explained that he saw it as a better opportunity than making something new from scratch and that the company hoped to release the game in 2019 or 2020. (Walker and Hill declined requests to be interviewed for this story.)

At the time, the broader industry was growing increasingly fixated on “games as a service” — such as Destiny and League of Legends — which generate sales long after their initial release, continuously reengaging players with endless updates and raking in fresh profits year after year. Armed with a battery of presentations, Warner Bros. executives traveled to London and made the case that the growing category was the industry’s future.

It was a field in which Rocksteady had no prior experience. The Batman: Arkham games were all single-player. Even so, Rocksteady executives soon decided that, in keeping with their parent company’s newfound enthusiasm, Suicide Squad would become an online multiplayer game with live-service content.

As it set out to master a new set of skills, Rocksteady expanded. Over the next seven years, it would swell from roughly 160 to more than 250 people — a size that grew unwieldy for managers yet still remained far smaller than the enormous teams behind similar games, such as Destiny.


During the early days, the studio kept its work on Suicide Squad a secret, even from potential hires. Several people who came on board during this era said they were surprised when they first arrived at the offices to learn that they would be working on a multiplayer game, not at all what Rocksteady was known for. Many would depart as a result.

Over time, the leaders’ vision kept morphing, most notably switching from an emphasis on melee combat to heavily focusing on guns. The change left some staff members wondering why protagonists such as Captain Boomerang, known for fighting with his namesake weapon, would suddenly pivot to gunplay.

Critics panned the overall experience with a 60 out of 100 on MetacriticPhotographer: Warner Bros. Games
In August 2020, after three years and multiple delays, Rocksteady finally revealed its plans, telling fans Suicide Squad would be released in 2022. But additional frustrations kept piling up. The project’s massive world and four playable heroes were a significant increase in complexity from the Arkham games. Engineers, under the impression they were rushing toward an immutable deadline, prioritized short-term fixes that later proved to be hindrances as the release date kept getting pushed back.

Staff members sometimes waited weeks or months for Hill, the studio’s perfectionist co-founder and director of the game, to review their work, said the people familiar, creating a bottleneck that further slowed development. He scrapped big chunks of the script and struggled to convey his evolving ideas, they said, confessing that he hadn’t spent much time with competing games such as Destiny. The constant delays hurt morale and led staff to fret that they were discarding too much and failing to make real progress.

At one point, Hill pitched an elaborate system of vehicles that would allow players to deck out cars with weapons and navigate through the game’s alien-infested streets. But each of the four playable characters were already outfitted with modes of traveling, leading to more doubts among staffers. Why, they wondered, would players using Deadshot or King Shark bother with a motorcycle when they could just soar through the air? After months of experimentation and prototyping, the vehicle system was scrapped.


One of the biggest issues, said people familiar, was that the battles, levels and bosses in a live-service game needed to be designed so players could tackle them over and over again, while Rocksteady was accustomed to telling stories that were only experienced once. Hampered by bloated code, the team struggled to find ways to make these activities feel less tedious and repetitive.

Multiple people who worked on the project say their growing concerns were often met with promises from management that Suicide Squad would eventually coalesce at the last minute, just as the Arkham games had. Several employees adopted the term “toxic positivity” to describe the culture of the company, which discouraged criticism. Leadership didn’t seem worried, they say, even as other traditionally single-player game studios that chased the live-service trend were delivering abysmal results with games such as Anthem (which earned a lowly score of 59 out of 100 on Metacritic), Marvel’s Avengers (67 out of 100) and Redfall (56 out of 100).

Despite the internal concerns among frontline workers, executives from Warner Bros. kept reviewing demonstrations of the game and sending laudatory feedback, praising the graphics and saying they expected Suicide Squad to become a billion-dollar franchise.

Whatever the outcome, the studio’s co-founders wouldn’t be there to see it through. In the fall of 2022, Warner Bros. announced that Hill and Walker were leaving Rocksteady to work on “a new adventure” and that a pair of longtime employees, Nathan Burlow and Darius Sadeghian, were being promoted in their wake. The change in leadership shocked the Rocksteady staff, and Hill and Walker said little in public to elaborate on their reasons for leaving. Later, when they started a new studio called Hundred Star Games, they told potential recruits from Rocksteady that they would have the opportunity to make a game free of the mandates and pressures from a corporation like Warner Bros.

Not long after the pair left, Suicide Squad was shown to the world for the first time in a digital PlayStation showcase that revealed 10 minutes of footage. Fans were largely unimpressed and slammed the preview for looking generic and repetitive. One Forbes writer described it as “live service hell.”


Shortly after the showcase, Warner delayed the release again, leading fans to wonder if Rocksteady might pivot away from the uninspired “looter shooter” genre to something else entirely. But it was too late.


In February 2024, Rocksteady released Suicide Squad. Employees were hopeful that players might enjoy individual pieces, such as its beautiful graphics or clever banter. But critics panned the overall experience, ranking it alongside other live-service flops with a 60 out of 100 on Metacritic, and the game failed to reach a wide audience despite a pricy marketing campaign that included network TV commercials.

Despite the painful setback, Warner Bros. isn’t giving up on video games, a $262 billion global industry, according to PwC, that will grow to $312 billion in 2027. During the February meeting in London, Haddad said that Warner Bros. Games was looking to do more collaboration between its dozen studios and that the company was understaffed compared to competing publishers, so job cuts at Rocksteady wouldn’t make sense.

Many of the studio’s employees are now helping to develop a new “director’s cut” version of Hogwarts Legacy. At the same time, according to people familiar, the studio leaders are looking to pitch a new single-player game, which would return Rocksteady to its roots.

“I think they’ll definitely get another at-bat,” said TD Cowen analyst Doug Creutz. “Hopefully with something more aligned with their demonstrated talents.”