Revisiting VtM: Bloodlines

[Wesp5]

Drog says it's because Wesp likes the attention he gets due to bugs. People desperately ask on the forums how to fix their playthrough, and Wesp pops up with some "magical console command" to fix it, and then people praise him like the sun and can't thank him enough. He puts those bugs in on purpose.

Yeah, and this is just a stupid ‎insinuation! I really wish I wouldn't need to do that as I work on the Bloodlines Prelude mod, help out with the upcoming new Clan Quest Mod version and would be happy if the Unofficial Patch would finally be finished! Which it probably never will be as you can only fix so much without a source code and the longer you fix something the minor the things get that you will fix .

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Yeah, and this is just a stupid ‎insinuation!

"I didn't put in those bugs. You must believe me! This is all just a big misunderstanding!"

 

[Goral]

No, they only gifted me their Bloodlines version, which was kind of logical to test it .

I'm pretty sure you've said somewhere (or someone from GOG said it) that you earn a small share of a profit whenever Bloodlines is sold on GOG.

 

[Anomander Rake]

Yeah, and this is just a stupid ‎insinuation! I really wish I wouldn't need to do that as I work on the Bloodlines Prelude mod, help out with the upcoming new Clan Quest Mod version and would be happy if the Unofficial Patch would finally be finished! Which it probably never will be as you can only fix so much without a source code and the longer you fix something the minor the things get that you will fix .

Please, leave unofficial patch the way it is and help Burgermeister get CQM out.


Edit: oh, how the mighty have fallen

 

[Wesp5]

I'm pretty sure you've said somewhere (or someone from GOG said it) that you earn a small share of a profit whenever Bloodlines is sold on GOG.

No, I earn nothing. In fact until now GOG never updated the patch after they included the first one which I don't like...

 

[Wesp5]

"I didn't put in those bugs. You must believe me! This is all just a big misunderstanding!"

Yes, sometimes fixing something breaks something else, this is normal for a complex game like Bloodlines. If you have any proof for your claims, please state them!

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

I'm pretty sure you've said somewhere (or someone from GOG said it) that you earn a small share of a profit whenever Bloodlines is sold on GOG.

No, I earn nothing. In fact until now GOG never updated the patch after they included the first one which I don't like...

Please tell me you've at least gotten something from your years of dedicated work other than satisfaction at a job well done. Is it good advertising for your career? Are there a handful of women who throw themselves at modders (now that I say it, it does sound unlikely)? Can we give you donations to pay for something unseemly?

 

[Wesp5]

Please, leave unofficial patch the way it is and help Burgermeister get CQM out.

I'm doing that right now! In fact the last and only thing I am doing for theUnofficial Patch 10.0 is synchronising the chateau hotel map with the one that will play a bigger role in the Bloodlines Prelude...

 

[Wesp5]

Please tell me you've at least gotten something from your years of dedicated work other than satisfaction at a job well done. Is it good advertising for your career? Are there a handful of women who throw themselves at modders (now that I say it, it does sound unlikely)? Can we give you donations to pay for something unseemly?

Sadly no, no, no and no. I got donated Bloodlines on Steam and on GOG which didn't really matter as I own the retail version. I'm a chemist and not a programmer so it doesn't matter for my career at all. I do it as a hobby so I need no donations, but if you have some nice women, just throw them at me !

 

[HansDampf]

To be honest after all these years I can't explain myself why Tessera already finished patching this game, while Wesp still gets to fix new bugs. Does anyone have a serious explanation?

"finished patching" = "stopped working on it, leaving many issues unresolved"
The "True" Patch offers a true

experience, and I encountered many bugs that the UP fixed a long time ago.

 

[Anomander Rake]

Can you tell me some of these bugs? because tessera is obsessed by this game and with obsession comes perfection.

I will report them to her.

I checked her forums and there are even comparison on both wesp and tessera patch code

 

[Sykar]

To be honest after all these years I can't explain myself why Tessera already finished patching this game, while Wesp still gets to fix new bugs. Does anyone have a serious explanation?

"finished patching" = "stopped working on it, leaving many issues unresolved"
The "True" Patch offers a true

experience, and I encountered many bugs that the UP fixed a long time ago.

I played it once with the "True Patch" and encountered 0 bugs. Not sure what you are trying to sell here.

 

[Delterius]

Can you tell me some of these bugs? because tessera is obsessed by this game and with obsession comes perfection.

you do know tessera is a man who didn't code his own patch right

 

[Anomander Rake]

I'm reading a lot of "you know that" "did you see" "I've encountered many bugs" "he can't code".... but I'm still asking for proof

1) If I go inside his forums there is even a checklist by an autistic user on why he wouldn't have touched certain things and so on patch by patch until 7.4 by Wesp checking every patch note (even if I don't agree with some of his reasoning, at least he tried: http://www.tessmage.com/forum/index.php?topic=57843.0).


2) There is even code being compared (e.g:

True Patch version:

#SANTAMONICA: used to determine if Bertram is in the oil tank or not
def bertramOutOfHiding():
npc = Find("Bertram")
gate = Find("gasstationgate")
if(G.Tourette_Wins == 1 or G.Therese_Dead == 1 or G.Jeanette_Dead == 1):
if(npc):
npc.ScriptUnhide()
gate.Unlock()
knox = Find("Knox")
if(knox):
if(G.Knox_Quest < 4 or G.Knox_Quest > 6):
knox.ScriptHide()
else:
knox.ScriptUnhide()
elif(1):
npc.ScriptHide()


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Unofficial Patch version:

#SANTAMONICA: used to determine if Bertram is in the oil tank or not, changed by wesp
def bertramOutOfHiding():
if(G.Story_State >= 10 and not G.SM_Gone):
G.SM_Gone = 1
copcars = __main__.FindEntitiesByName("copcar")
for copcar in copcars:
copcar.Kill()
npc = Find("Bertram")
if(G.Tourette_Wins == 1 or G.Therese_Dead == 1 or G.Jeanette_Dead == 1):
gate = Find("gasstationgate")
pad = Find("padlock")
if npc:
pcon = Find("bertrams_computer_on")
pcoff = Find("bertrams_computer_off")
npc.ScriptUnhide()
pcon.ScriptHide()
pcoff.ScriptUnhide()
gate.Unlock()
if pad: pad.Unlock()
knox = Find("Knox")
if knox:
if(G.Knox_Quest < 4 or G.Knox_Quest > 6):
knox.ScriptHide()
else:
knox.ScriptUnhide()
else:
npc.ScriptHide()


for the sapient users. But Wesp already told he is no coder so I guess that's ok


3) Can someone show me bugs or errors that happens in gold patch, give me one single report of a certain bug so I can test it myself and why not, send it to tessera?

 

[Wesp5]

1) If I go inside his forums there is even a checklist by an autistic user on why he wouldn't have touched certain things and so on patch by patch until 7.4 by Wesp checking every patch note (even if I don't agree with some of his reasoning, at least he tried:

The problem there was that without playing my patch you won't be able to understand what most patch notes mean and I don't think they ever did that! I remember that they didn't understand that the hellcat was about the small excavator until someone pointed it out ...

2) There is even code being compared...

And do you or did they know where the differences come from? I'm no coder, but of course I work with the Python code the game uses. Which again only makes sense when you know which part of the levels it refers to...

 

[HansDampf]

Can you tell me some of these bugs? because tessera is obsessed by this game and with obsession comes perfection.

I did so around Halloween last year when I played it with the TP. There were many graphical issues like missing textures, holes in models, screwed up cubemaps. Sound effects, NPC chatter and some music not playing properly or cutting out. The game also wouldn't give me fists (the "unarmed combat" slot) at the beginning. There was more, but I don't remember everything. On top of that, despite being advertised as the "true" patch that leaves everything else in the game untouched, Tessera altered at least the waifu Voerman sisters' idle behavior and gave them a bunch of standard NPC animations, like taking phonecalls

 

[hello friend]

Someone needs to get Tessera to make an account on Codex and post in this thread. Would be so much fun to see the back and forth.

 

[Delterius]

Someone needs to get Tessera to make an account on Codex and post in this thread. Would be so much fun to see the back and forth.

you mean someone should get tessera to make 30 more alts somewhere on the internet to praise his modding persona

 

[hello friend]

sure, why not

let it spill into the streets

 

[Okagron]

I'm trying to download wesp5 patch but it's taking way too long.

Edit: Decided to download directly from the Patches Scrolls site and it's going much faster. I was downloading from moddb.

 

[Drax]

wtf, the patch isn't posted to Nexus?
Why would anyone do that?

 

[Okagron]

wtf, the patch isn't posted to Nexus?
Why would anyone do that?

Don't know if it's posted on the Nexus, but i just typed the name of the game along with unoficial patch and the moddb site was the first one that showed up. Tried to download from there but it was really slow, so i tried from the Patches Scrolls site. Downloaded much faster from there.

Already started the game. Tried unmodded first and then installed the wesp5 mod and the graphics are much more detailed with the mod.

 

[Wesp5]

Wtf, the patch isn't posted to Nexus?
Why would anyone do that?

It's not hosted there because at first I had an exclusive deal with The Patches Scrolls and I only lately uploaded it to the ModDB too. I rarely use the Nexus myself.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Wtf, the patch isn't posted to Nexus?
Why would anyone do that?

It's not hosted there because at first I had an exclusive deal with The Patches Scrolls and I only lately uploaded it to the ModDB too. I rarely use the Nexus myself.

What kind of deal?

 

[Wesp5]

What kind of deal?

Just that they have the exclusive right to publish it, because when I started working on the patch there was nobody else who cared about Unofficial Patches.