Recommend a turn based, isometric/overhead, full party RPG for me

[Nikanuur]

From the recent ones, you may want to try Caves of Lore.
Or experiment a bit with lightweight stuff like Pathway (which is not a full-fledged RPG, but it does have a party, builds, items, EXPing and levels, exploration, etc.)
And, of course, there are still the Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire with TB combat. A game that was said to beat BG3 at several occasions, muhheheeheh. Help to long-tail those sales, I dare you!

 

[roshan]

What's the best Spiderweb game to play, if I want to try just one? Not one with too bad graphics please.

 

[Yosharian]

And, of course, there are still the Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire with TB combat

What kind of monster would recommend that abomination

 

[Gibson]

Expeditions: Conquistador. Best expeditions game[period].

dungeon of naheulbeuk. Fun game and nice combat; since you love larian you won't mind or rather you'll delight in cringe writing and "humour". combat is fun though.

edit:

Kingsvein looks nice. that'll probably be my next game to waste time on.

 

[Snufkin]

Silent Storm: (let me shill it with this movie)
https://youtu.be/pbnCQMWC938?si=ZsxLmwZTx4pNwXbo

ToEE with co8 patch

 

[Serus]

What's the best Spiderweb game to play, if I want to try just one? Not one with too bad graphics please.

Then don't play Spiderweb games.
Also the obligatory: <graphicwhore!>



In other news, Expeditions Conquistador is average at best but that's me. I gave up on this game after a couple of hours.

 

[Butter]

What's the best Spiderweb game to play, if I want to try just one? Not one with too bad graphics please.

They all have bad graphics. You learn to like it. Geneforge or Escape from the Pit.

 

[Arbiter]

RPGs are about numbers, not words (the exception being ability and spell descriptions).

So PST is not an RPG?

 

[Sweeper]

RPGs are about numbers, not words (the exception being ability and spell descriptions).

So PST is not an RPG?

It is, but a shit one.

 

[Arbiter]

BTW, has anyone ever managed to mod turn based combat into Infinity Engine?

 

[Ladonna]

I vote for Dark Sun if you haven't already played it. Lot's of other good options here, but this way you can move forward into your chosen timeline after that, and the game is great.

 

[Terenty]

Paradise Cracked is one of the best turn based RPGs I've played, so highly recommend. But it's a Russian game with an awful English dub I heard (a lot of the game's atmosphere is lost in translation) so not sure how playable it is for non Russian speakers.

 

[Serus]

RPGs are about numbers, not words (the exception being ability and spell descriptions).

So PST is not an RPG?

Plenty of numbers in this games (and spells descriptions). The problem is that those all those numbers are not prestigious and serve little purpose.

 

[Serus]

BTW, has anyone ever managed to mod turn based combat into Infinity Engine?

Never heard of that. However in case of PST it wouldn't add much. Not without changing half of the game. However in Baldurs or Icewinds that could be interesting and I wish someone did it instead of those inane "Oblivion in Skyrim engine" and similar stuff.

 

[Erebus]

The Dungeon of Naheulbeuk : the Amulet of Chaos. Turn-based and you control a party of eight characters. Combat is very tactical and fun.

 

[Spike]

My two cents about your prospective picks:

- Pathfinder: wrath of the righteous - if you like Owlcat it's more of the same, but with probably worse companions than Kingmaker.
- Divinity: Original Sin - You can skip this one if you've already played DOS2, unless you're a hardcore Larian completionist.
- Knights of the Chalice / Knights of the Chalice 2 - very much recommended by the codex but allegedly painfully hard, and also probably hard to get used to after 5e
- Solasta: Crown of the magister - basically BG3 but much cheaper and worse at everything. I would now only recommend it for one reason: a campaign editor you can mess around with.

KotC games difficulty is overstated:
a) Much of it comes from KotC 2 beta/ea/whatever-it-was and people who played it. A commendable achievement but the game is different now.
b) KotC 1 is not that hard except one battle. It happens after main story has ended and is an optional challenge.
c) There are those silly, unused things called difficulty settings in KotC 2. Your computer won't tell Codex that you didn't play all the most hardcore options.
and
d) Is not difficulty related: 3e > 5e, at least when it comes to computer gaming.


Solasta, don't forget, also lacks bear sex! Truly, BG 3 is a masterpiece.

Regarding KotC 2a (difficulty), what do you mean? Is there a way to set the difficulty back to what it was during the early access era? Or is the fact it is different okay and even good?

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-list-of-rpgs-a-codex-collaboration.146323/

Search for all those tagged party-based+Isometric play every single one, and maybe you won't have shit taste anymore

 

[raeven]

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-list-of-rpgs-a-codex-collaboration.146323/

Search for all those tagged party-based+Isometric play every single one, and maybe you won't have shit taste anymore

Go fuck yourself, asshole

 

[Crispy]

What's the best Spiderweb game to play, if I want to try just one? Not one with too bad graphics please.

They all have bad graphics. You learn to like it. Geneforge or Escape from the Pit.

There's a brand-new demo for Geneforge 2 - Infestation (the remake of the original GF 2) out now on Steam.

OP would do well to at least check it out.

 

[raeven]

Have you considered some tactics-style games? Kingsvein which just released is very good IMO, and Triangle Strategy is also pretty good if you like those sort of games.

- Pathfinder: wrath of the righteous - seems like it's more polished than Kingmaker, plus it was designed from the get-go with a turn based mode. Maybe that doesn't matter, idk. It's more recent and reviews seem to say it's a big improvement over the original in terms of polish and such.

I would highly recommend Kingmaker over Wrath, at least initially. Wrath has... issues, and the complexity of building characters is much higher than Kingmaker.

I have a Kingmaker modlist that makes it a much more enjoyable game in my opinion.

What do you mean by 'issues'?

I looked through your modlist. The only ones that seemed relevant to an initial playthrough were the autobuff and loot checklist mods from what I could tell, though neither seemed all that necessary.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-list-of-rpgs-a-codex-collaboration.146323/

Search for all those tagged party-based+Isometric play every single one, and maybe you won't have shit taste anymore

Go fuck yourself, asshole

Watch the language around your superior, little boy.

I pointed you to a resource with ~950 games you can search by turn-based on front page+last 2/3 pages of the thread, with more info and links to Codex threads.

Go educate yourself and move on from only knowing about BG3 and Disco Elysium.

 

[Bastardchops]

Looking to try out a new game after beating BG3's honor mode. The game was such incline I doubt any could ever top it (I mention this just to trigger the codex), but I'm in the mood for another turn based RPG where you control a full party of characters.

I've tried most of the RTwP games and i just can't get into that system, so I'm just gonna stop trying. I played BG1 when it first came out but couldn't finish it because that mode just isn't for me, and all the subsequent times I've picked it (or similar games) up have not changed my mind.

I love many single-protagonist RPGs, such as Fallout 1 and 2, but right now I'm more interested in fully controlling an entire party.

First person RPGs have never been my thing, I much prefer a top down perspective. Isometric, oblique, or overhead - doesn't matter.

My RPG experience started on Mac with Realmz (Gold box era, but on Mac), and as such I never got used to the blocky graphics / text and 8-bit sound of the DOS era. I'm only really interested in games made after that time period. Let's say after 1995 to make it simple. Don't kick me off the codex, pls.

Games in this vein that I've loved:

- Jagged Alliance 2 and 3 - one my all time favorites, and one of my recent favorites.
- Realmz - Gold box style design with a ruleset shamelessly ripped off from AD&D, simple overhead graphics and tiles, but very crunchy and combat heavy.
- Divinity Original Sin 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 - the codex's favorite games to hate. Too bad they're both such great games. Love the combat & encounter design of these games, despite the silly armor system of D:OS 2
- Shadowrun trilogy from HBS - simple, basic, but fun. Good times
- Wasteland 2 and Wasteland 3 - loved both of these. Fallout style setting and C&C, but with a full party to control? Yes pls.

Games that I didn't like so much:

Idk what it is, but I find it really hard to get into spiderweb software's games. There's just something about them that doesn't 'click' for me, and I can't seem to put my finger on why.

Games I'm considering picking up next:

- Pathfinder: wrath of the righteous - seems like it's more polished than Kingmaker, plus it was designed from the get-go with a turn based mode. Maybe that doesn't matter, idk. It's more recent and reviews seem to say it's a big improvement over the original in terms of polish and such.
- Divinity: Original Sin - played the 2nd one, but never got too far into the 1st one. Not sure why. I could give it another go though, especially if the general consensus is that it picks up after the first few hours of gameplay.
- Knights of the Chalice / Knights of the Chalice 2 - looks pretty fun. I dig the graphics and the overall design.
- Solasta: Crown of the magister - looks like it could be fun. Don't know that much about it.

Open to other codexian suggestions so long as they meet the requirements I've laid out above and are in english. If you just want to bash my shitty taste in games and tell me I'm the reason why everything is decline, do it in one of the game specific threads I've posted in.

Have you played BG 1 & 2, or Icewind Dale?

 

[Bastardchops]

Looking to try out a new game after beating BG3's honor mode. The game was such incline I doubt any could ever top it (I mention this just to trigger the codex), but I'm in the mood for another turn based RPG where you control a full party of characters.

I've tried most of the RTwP games and i just can't get into that system, so I'm just gonna stop trying. I played BG1 when it first came out but couldn't finish it because that mode just isn't for me, and all the subsequent times I've picked it (or similar games) up have not changed my mind.

I love many single-protagonist RPGs, such as Fallout 1 and 2, but right now I'm more interested in fully controlling an entire party.

First person RPGs have never been my thing, I much prefer a top down perspective. Isometric, oblique, or overhead - doesn't matter.

My RPG experience started on Mac with Realmz (Gold box era, but on Mac), and as such I never got used to the blocky graphics / text and 8-bit sound of the DOS era. I'm only really interested in games made after that time period. Let's say after 1995 to make it simple. Don't kick me off the codex, pls.

Games in this vein that I've loved:

- Jagged Alliance 2 and 3 - one my all time favorites, and one of my recent favorites.
- Realmz - Gold box style design with a ruleset shamelessly ripped off from AD&D, simple overhead graphics and tiles, but very crunchy and combat heavy.
- Divinity Original Sin 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 - the codex's favorite games to hate. Too bad they're both such great games. Love the combat & encounter design of these games, despite the silly armor system of D:OS 2
- Shadowrun trilogy from HBS - simple, basic, but fun. Good times
- Wasteland 2 and Wasteland 3 - loved both of these. Fallout style setting and C&C, but with a full party to control? Yes pls.

Games that I didn't like so much:

Idk what it is, but I find it really hard to get into spiderweb software's games. There's just something about them that doesn't 'click' for me, and I can't seem to put my finger on why.

Games I'm considering picking up next:

- Pathfinder: wrath of the righteous - seems like it's more polished than Kingmaker, plus it was designed from the get-go with a turn based mode. Maybe that doesn't matter, idk. It's more recent and reviews seem to say it's a big improvement over the original in terms of polish and such.
- Divinity: Original Sin - played the 2nd one, but never got too far into the 1st one. Not sure why. I could give it another go though, especially if the general consensus is that it picks up after the first few hours of gameplay.
- Knights of the Chalice / Knights of the Chalice 2 - looks pretty fun. I dig the graphics and the overall design.
- Solasta: Crown of the magister - looks like it could be fun. Don't know that much about it.

Open to other codexian suggestions so long as they meet the requirements I've laid out above and are in english. If you just want to bash my shitty taste in games and tell me I'm the reason why everything is decline, do it in one of the game specific threads I've posted in.

Also Temple of Elemental Evil is good.

 

[Bastardchops]

Knights of the Chalice / Knights of the Chalice 2 - very much recommended by the codex but allegedly painfully hard, and also probably hard to get used to after 5e

The first isn't that hard, more enjoyable challenge. The second is punishing.

 

[raeven]

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/a-list-of-rpgs-a-codex-collaboration.146323/

Search for all those tagged party-based+Isometric play every single one, and maybe you won't have shit taste anymore

Go fuck yourself, asshole

Watch the language around your superior, little boy.

I pointed you to a resource with ~950 games you can search by turn-based on front page+last 2/3 pages of the thread, with more info and links to Codex threads.

Go educate yourself and move on from only knowing about BG3 and Disco Elysium.

I've been playing CRPGs for 30 years. If you had read my original post you'd see that some of the games I cited as personal favorites in the party based / turn based niche included Realmz (a crunchy, obscure gold box era game) and Jagged Alliance 2. I played both of these games when they were released, not that I usually feel the need to point that out.

Liking some games you don't like doesn't mean my taste is shit, nor does it mean I only enjoy popular games. Those are just assumptions you've chosen to make for your own reasons based on limited data.

You're not my superior, you're just another person who likes this genre of games, and I've no problem telling you to go fuck yourself when you decide go around calling yourself anyone's "superior". In fact, I'll do it again - get off your high horse, and go fuck yourself. Ah, that felt nice actually.

P.S. would love to hear any recommendations within the criteria I gave, if you're wiling to share them