Vapourware Realms Beyond: Ashes of the Fallen - Chaos Chronicles reborn and dead again

[vonAchdorf]

He contributed some parts of the background story / world.

 

[Ezeekiel]

He contributed some parts of the background story / world.

So, sort of like JarlFrank?

What is it with that studio and political extremists, I better avoid giving them money lest I end up funding some unholy combination of globalism and nazism, right?

 

[Ezeekiel]

On a more serious note, I'm not sold on the combat yet... Definitely waiting before a buy.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

He contributed some parts of the background story / world.

So, sort of like JarlFrank?

What is it with that studio and political extremists, I better avoid giving them money lest I end up funding some unholy combination of globalism and nazism, right?

Ohhhhhh so edgy, now they're very scared by the possibility of being ruined by angry g4m3rs like you.

Nobody gives a fuck about this "controversy", you're just the other side of the coin of all the SJWs that said the same thing in regards to firing sssr from obsidian. "I so want to enjoy Pillars, but I won't buy it with sser on staff. Obsidian fix it pls".

The sales will not be affected even by 1%. You're the laughing stock of the internet with your butthurt posts, stop imitating the sjw, it won't work.

 

[FeelTheRads]

It's really amazing how you can lack self-awareness to such a degree that you laugh at SJW for not buying a game because a certain person worked on it while you're doing the exact same thing.

Also, if you have such big principles, stop buying AAA games before going all fucking saint. When you stop pre-ordering EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda garbage then you can brag about how awesome you are.

 

[Ezeekiel]

He contributed some parts of the background story / world.

So, sort of like JarlFrank?

What is it with that studio and political extremists, I better avoid giving them money lest I end up funding some unholy combination of globalism and nazism, right?

Ohhhhhh so edgy, now they're very scared by the possibility of being ruined by angry g4m3rs like you.

Nobody gives a fuck about this "controversy", you're just the other side of the coin of all the SJWs that said the same thing in regards to firing sssr from obsidian. "I so want to enjoy Pillars, but I won't buy it with sser on staff. Obsidian fix it pls".

The sales will not be affected even by 1%. You're the laughing stock of the internet with your butthurt posts, stop imitating the sjw, it won't work.

You missed the smiley, ey?

I also like the logic on display... One side can do x but the other side is not allowed to do the same in return? Alright then.

 

[Ezeekiel]

It's really amazing how you can lack self-awareness to such a degree that you laugh at SJW for not buying a game because a certain person worked on it while you're doing the exact same thing.

I don't laugh at SJW's for not buying a game for whatever reason (edit: well, maybe sometimes). My problems lie with trying to get people fired over nothing (not exactly the case in this instance, of course) or trying to turn an established series into political garbage with shit gameplay or some such.

Also, if you have such big principles, stop buying AAA games before going all fucking saint. When you stop pre-ordering EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda garbage then you can brag about how awesome you are.

Extremely rare for me to preorder anything, and almost never AAA games.
Who are you even talking to?

 

[Tigranes]

I also like the logic on display... One side can do x but the other side is not allowed to do the same in return? Alright then.

Maybe both 'sides' can stop being retarded?

 

[Ezeekiel]

I also like the logic on display... One side can do x but the other side is not allowed to do the same in return? Alright then.

Maybe both 'sides' can stop being retarded?

I think everybody can just decide for themselves whether they want to buy a game or not, for whatever reasons they happen to take into consideration.
Rules for thee but not for me, on the other hand...

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

I also like the logic on display... One side can do x but the other side is not allowed to do the same in return? Alright then.

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

 

[ArchAngel]

It's really amazing how you can lack self-awareness to such a degree that you laugh at SJW for not buying a game because a certain person worked on it while you're doing the exact same thing.

Also, if you have such big principles, stop buying AAA games before going all fucking saint. When you stop pre-ordering EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda garbage then you can brag about how awesome you are.

I have even stopped pirating games from those studios, how awesome am I?

 

[BEvers]

Finally! https://www.rpgwatch.com/articles/realms-beyond-preview-455.html

New info for me:

Adding to the believable world they are trying to create, is the day/night cycle and that the NPCs have schedules. When you enter a city at night, people will be in their homes and their shops are closed. Unfortunately this is not implemented yet, so it could not be shown, but it is something that will be implemented in a later version.

With all the stuff lying around you might think about stealing it, but if someone notices you doing that you might get into trouble. First you get into trouble with only the NPC. When words get around you could get into trouble with the other people in the village and after that perhaps in the kingdom and even in the whole game world. If you are not noticed, but word does get around that there is a thief, the town guards might want to see your equipment to search for stolen goods. Any stolen items you might have are tagged as stolen and those tags can only be removed by finding a merchant who is willing to deal in stolen goods.

Each hex on the map is about 2 miles and the complete world is 2.000 square miles, which means there are a million hexes in total.

Your party will not only need to rest, but needs to eat and drink as well. This is achieved by setting up a camp. If you have food like onions, potatoes and carrots in your inventory and have the tools needed for cooking, like a pan, someone in your party with a cooking skill can prepare a meal for the party. The ingredients of the meal are removed automatically from your inventory and the cooking is automated well, as long as everything is in place for this. The result of the cooking exercise is shown as text on the screen, like "Waldo created a delicious meal for the party" and a bonus is awarded to the party for having the meal. Obviously, in order to cook, you need wood for making a fire. Wood will be collected automatically when you are near a forest, but if you camp in a barren area, you should be prepared and carry a supply of wood with you in order to be able to cook.

Actually, your actions, both inside and outside of quests, can have consequences in the world. If you would destroy a goblin camp somewhere and kill all the goblins, it might be that after some time, humans will claim that spot, because the goblins are no longer there. You can make entire regions safer for humans in this way, but you can also choose not to.

Realms Beyond will support alignment, but their their implementation of alignment is different from the D&D version, as they wanted something more intricate. They plan to use a diagram where different character traits are available and each character will align more or less with each of these traits. Like, being greedy, lazy, sneaky, open-minded, etc. As it is still in development, this could not be shown.

The game will support a faction system on different levels. One town is a faction, one kingdom is a faction and then there are global factions, such as a merchant gild, or factions based on a race or religion. You can align yourself with factions, but some factions are opposite to each other, so befriending one faction, could mean you become an enemy of another faction. You can for example, align with the orcs, but in order to do that you have to kill humans, who will not think kindly of you because of that. If you make a character angry, because of your actions or conversations, it will spread out to the faction that character belongs to, like the village or camp.

The plan is to release the game at the end of 2019 or the beginning of 2020 and will be released in parts, meaning that only a part of the map will be available at that time. A total of 3 parts are planned. The second and third part will be much lower priced than the first part and will come in the form of expansions to that first part. They are doing this, because they will need the time to create the content for all the parts and in this way the game can already be made available for a large part. The mod tools will be released with the first part, so people can already start creating mods for the game.

Realms Beyond is a classic party based open-world RPG (with no level scaling) inspired by, amongst others, the old Gold Box games and Ultima 7. At the start of the game, you get to create your first character, using the classic classes: Barbarian, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue and Wizard, from seven possible races: Dwarf, Elf, Gnome, Half-Elf, Half-Orc, Halfling and Human. Realms Beyond is based on the D&D 3.5 System Reference Document that cannot be found on the Wizards of the Coast website anymore, but by googling it, you can still find the document, if you are interested in those details.
In the game, you will meet other characters that can join your party. At that point, you can decide to use that character or create another character from scratch. This means that you can end up with a party that is completely created by you. There can be a total of six characters in your party.
Realms Beyond uses the assets of Chaos Chronicles, which they managed to acquire after the bankruptcy of BitComposer. The engine that is used in Realms Beyond is based on the same engine as the one used in the Spellforce games and Chaos Chronicles.



You start in the world of Realms Beyond, where some 50 years ago a global disaster happened, called the cataclysm. Simultaneously everywhere in the world, volcanos erupted. Some areas were destroyed immediately and now lie in ruins. Nobody actually knows what really happened. Since then the world is somewhat in chaos and every culture and nation have created their own explanation about the cataclysm. Some think there is a religious reason, some think it is a demon, some a wizard, but nobody really knows.
It is your task to travel the entire world and collect the necessary information from the various nations and cultures, by means of completing quests and finding hints to solve the mystery. For this, you have to deal with the sensitivities of those different cultures and deal with a new cult, named the cult of the Inner Flame. A religious cult of which the popularity is rising in the world.

All items in the game are in-game items and they can all be interacted with. For the hoarders amongst you that means, if you are not careful, you might end up with a lot of junk, but if you want to do that, you can. The items add a lot of detail to the world, just as it did in Ultima 7, which was named a few times during the presentation. Most of the items have however no relevance to the gameplay, but might be relevant to the NPCs. A baker needs items for baking, a blacksmith needs items for smithing, etc. These items are not useful to you as a player, but they are to them. In this way, they want to make the world more believable. Sometimes an item or object can be inspected further. In those situations the mouse cursor will change to indicate that. Given the amount of items in the world that is probably a good idea.
With all the stuff lying around you might think about stealing it, but if someone notices you doing that you might get into trouble. First you get into trouble with only the NPC. When words get around you could get into trouble with the other people in the village and after that perhaps in the kingdom and even in the whole game world. If you are not noticed, but word does get around that there is a thief, the town guards might want to see your equipment to search for stolen goods. Any stolen items you might have are tagged as stolen and those tags can only be removed by finding a merchant who is willing to deal in stolen goods.

Adding to the believable world they are trying to create, is the day/night cycle and that the NPCs have schedules. When you enter a city at night, people will be in their homes and their shops are closed. Unfortunately this is not implemented yet, so it could not be shown, but it is something that will be implemented in a later version.
When you do enter a house, there will be no loading of a new scene, instead the roofs of the houses simply disappear, so that you can see inside the house.


On the world map you can see your party and its location in the world. When you are not moving, nothing happens, but when you start moving other enemy groups will start moving on the map as well. The map is using a hex grid and you can see a few hexes around your party to detect if there are any enemy groups that you might want to avoid. At night however that distance is greatly reduced as you cannot see as well as you can during day time. The distance you can see depends on your character skills.
Each hex on the map is generated using the actual world contents, so it will resemble the environment in the world as good as possible. Each hex on the map is about 2 miles and the complete world is 2.000 square miles, which means there are a million hexes in total.
The map actually consists of two separate parts integrated into one. One contains the encounters, where events are generated from pre-defined templates. These have no content other than the environment needed for the combat. The second contains the pre-made locations that are identified on the map by the fact that they have a name. Here you find the cities, villages and dungeons. Those locations have content and could consist of multiple levels. The engine supports a total of 200 levels, but they have no plans at the moment to create a mega dungeon of that size. The locations on the map will also show what faction is in control of the location and whether or not it is a friendly faction. In addition, also the travel time to that location is shown.

When you travel the time on the map moves as well. It takes about an hour and a half to walk ten miles, but it all depends on where you are traveling. If you are using the roads, you can travel a lot faster compared to traveling through the forest, so you have to take that into account when you leave the roads. Another way of traveling is by boat, which can be used to travel to one of the islands on the map. Clicking on a location on the map will make you rparty enter that location when they reach it. This happens with almost no loading time, which is quite impressive.

Whenever there is an encounter on the world map, text is shown that not only states there is an encounter, but it will also take the position on the map where you currently are and use that in the text to be displayed, to get to something like this: "An orc raiding party has ambushed you near the coast line during day time". The details of the orc raiding party will also be available in additional text. The displayed text will be different if you are in the forest or in the mountains. By using this in-game data for presenting information to the player, they want to achieve a more engaging experience. The next screenshot will give you an idea of what the map looks like.


The map will have hidden locations that you can only find when you follow a trail. You could for example, get a message that a corpse is found near the side of the road, with tracks leading away from that corpse. By investigating the matter, you could then get the question if you would like to follow the tracks into the forest. If so, you follow them and a new location will pop up, like a witch cabin, or something like that. This cabin would not be visible by just walking around on the world map.
There will be hidden treasures that you can find by collecting pieces of a treasure map that are scattered throughout the region where you are in. These are randomly placed and will be at a different location for everyone. Once you have all parts of the map collected, a treasure location will show up on your map, where you can go, to collect the treasure.

Your party will not only need to rest, but needs to eat and drink as well. This is achieved by setting up a camp. If you have food like onions, potatoes and carrots in your inventory and have the tools needed for cooking, like a pan, someone in your party with a cooking skill can prepare a meal for the party. The ingredients of the meal are removed automatically from your inventory and the cooking is automated well, as long as everything is in place for this. The result of the cooking exercise is shown as text on the screen, like "Waldo created a delicious meal for the party" and a bonus is awarded to the party for having the meal. Obviously, in order to cook, you need wood for making a fire. Wood will be collected automatically when you are near a forest, but if you camp in a barren area, you should be prepared and carry a supply of wood with you in order to be able to cook.

Whenever you have an encounter on the world map, the game switches seamlessly from moving in real-time to turn-based combat. A hex grid is displayed, showing where each of the characters can go. The combat is what you expect from D&D 3.5, so I will forward you to a combat video of the game. It is a lengthy video, but you will get the gist of things after a few minutes.

Realms Beyond - Combat Alpha 1 Gameplay

The developers looked at The Temple of Elemental Evil for inspiration when implementing the combat.

One of the philosophies the developers have in making the game is that they want to restrict the player as little as possible in their exploration activities in the game. The player needs to make his or her own choices and live with the consequences of those choices, but it is needed to have the right skills in order to explore in a proper way. With the right skill you could, for example, detect herbs and harvest them. If you do not have that skill, the characters in your party will not recognize the herbs, which stops you from harvesting them.
With choices and consequences comes a branching quest system, which they use to have your choices have an impact in the world. Actually, your actions, both inside and outside of quests, can have consequences in the world. If you would destroy a goblin camp somewhere and kill all the goblins, it might be that after some time, humans will claim that spot, because the goblins are no longer there. You can make entire regions safer for humans in this way, but you can also choose not to.
And if you are lost, and like to know what quest you are doing now, you should be aware that the game does not have a quest compass or quest markers hovering over people's had or hovering anywhere else for that matter. Any information you need about quests can be read from the journal, which is automatically filled with information as you go along.


There is also a branching dialog system. Conversations can have different outcomes depending on your choices. In addition, some branches in conversations are based on your race, gender, class, or what you have done up to that point. This can also happen with merchants, who might not want to help you because they don't like humans, dwarves or something like that.

NPCs you encounter in a village will be talking to each other and you can listen to their conversations. The text they use can be just random talk, but can also depend on your previous actions. If you would have cleared that goblin camp, you might hear them talk about a group of heroes who finally killed the goblins. This again, is meant to make the world more real.

Realms Beyond will support alignment, but their their implementation of alignment is different from the D&D version, as they wanted something more intricate. They plan to use a diagram where different character traits are available and each character will align more or less with each of these traits. Like, being greedy, lazy, sneaky, open-minded, etc. As it is still in development, this could not be shown.
How this works in the game is that if you have a greedy character and you let that character barter with a merchant, it will probably not be a success, as the greedy character will not part from money or items easily and it is very unlikely that they will come to an agreement. So perhaps a greedy person is not the best person to barter with a merchant.

Also the armor class is a bit different from D&D. In D&D you only have armor for the torso. They have changed this and distributed the armor class from D&D over different armor parts for the helmet, body, gloves and boots. If they are all of the same type then together they would give the same armor class as the armor in D&D would.

The game will support a faction system on different levels. One town is a faction, one kingdom is a faction and then there are global factions, such as a merchant gild, or factions based on a race or religion. You can align yourself with factions, but some factions are opposite to each other, so befriending one faction, could mean you become an enemy of another faction. You can for example, align with the orcs, but in order to do that you have to kill humans, who will not think kindly of you because of that. If you make a character angry, because of your actions or conversations, it will spread out to the faction that character belongs to, like the village or camp.


Quite some time has been spent on creating the tools needed to create the game. The developers have done that early in development, to make the creation of the content in the game faster. For the modders, it is good to know that these tools are made available when the game launches, so people can create their own mods, or as almost everything in the game is scripted, the game itself can be changed.

The game is currently in pre-alpha, but was shown to me in the presentation that laster more than an hour, it is clear that they have a lot available. There are already loads of spells, items, weapons and armor available. Large sections of the world were available, but lacking content. The game engine and graphics are close to completion as are most of the assets.
What they are really missing at the moment is content in the form of dialogs, quests and other pieces of text. This is also one of the reasons that they are going to Kickstarter to get sufficient funds to be able to hire extra people who can work on the creation of the content. The second reason is that they want to learn how many people are actually interested in a hard-core RPG like Realms Beyond.

The plan is to release the game at the end of 2019 or the beginning of 2020 and will be released in parts, meaning that only a part of the map will be available at that time. A total of 3 parts are planned. The second and third part will be much lower priced than the first part and will come in the form of expansions to that first part. They are doing this, because they will need the time to create the content for all the parts and in this way the game can already be made available for a large part. The mod tools will be released with the first part, so people can already start creating mods for the game.

I was impressed with what I was shown and look forward to seeing more. I don't know how big the market is for a classic RPG like this, but I hope it is big enough to realize all parts of the game and make it a success, as what I got to see looked very promising.

 

[Roqua]

All items in the game are in-game items and they can all be interacted with. For the hoarders amongst you that means, if you are not careful, you might end up with a lot of junk, but if you want to do that, you can. The items add a lot of detail to the world, just as it did in Ultima 7, which was named a few times during the presentation.

So, instead of having multiclassing they spend a huge effort making a bunch of dumb shit for no good reason other than people are fucking morons that like to pick forks up that do nothing and you can't sell. Well, at least they aren't copying U7's combat.

I wonder how their alignment system works with classes. The armor thing has me worried too. More "innovation" they are borrowing from SCL? Personally, I'd rather have less "eye candy" items junking up the world and more 3.5, but like I said before - beggars can't be choosers so I have to fund it and hope it gets funded, but I'm going to whine about all the extremely poor design decisions they are making to make this a TB Skyrim instead of the next evolution of ToEE.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

So, instead of having multiclassing they spend a huge effort making a bunch of dumb shit for no good reason other than people are fucking morons that like to pick forks up that do nothing and you can't sell. Well, at least they aren't copying U7's combat.

I wonder how their alignment system works with classes. The armor thing has me worried too.

What's wrong with armour now?

 

[Roqua]

What's wrong with armour now?

Also the armor class is a bit different from D&D. In D&D you only have armor for the torso. They have changed this and distributed the armor class from D&D over different armor parts for the helmet, body, gloves and boots. If they are all of the same type then together they would give the same armor class as the armor in D&D would.

This was SCL's interpretation of armor in 3.5 too.

 

[V_K]

Each hex on the map is about 2 miles and the complete world is 2.000 square miles, which means there are a million hexes in total.

Either it's a typo or someone can't into math.

Any stolen items you might have are tagged as stolen and those tags can only be removed by finding a merchant who is willing to deal in stolen goods.

So buying corpse-looted items is business as usual, but only crooks will buy stolen goods. The morality system in the game is indeed intricate.

 

[Roqua]

Either it's a typo or someone can't into math.

I'm guessing it is conversion confusion? I was thinking a hex is probably a meter, with the world being 2k square kilometers. But that isn't a million, even if converting 3.1 miles to kilometers I can't get it to work.

 

[Reinhardt]

So buying corpse-looted items is business as usual, but only crooks will buy stolen goods. The morality system in the game is indeed intricate.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

This was SCL's interpretation of armor in 3.5 too.

All was 5e though. While your concern, that this might be another SCL, is something, is there anything particularly wrong with the rule that worries you in terms of how it might affect the gameplay negatively?

 

[Roqua]

This was SCL's interpretation of armor in 3.5 too.

All was 5e though. While your concern, that this might be another SCL, is something, is there anything particularly wrong with the rule that worries you in terms of how it might affect the gameplay negatively?

Yes. They seem to be seeing 3.5 like SCL saw 5e and Neverwinter Online saw 4e. If they changed AC, what other ways have they reimagined itemization? Gloves of added crit range x2? Vorpal Helm of Striding -10 to CDs?

Let me ask you this - why does dramatic changes to 3.5 not worry you? Do you have a list of games that went wild with the source rules that are staples of your rpg library.

 

[The Wall]

What's wrong with armour now?

Also the armor class is a bit different from D&D. In D&D you only have armor for the torso. They have changed this and distributed the armor class from D&D over different armor parts for the helmet, body, gloves and boots. If they are all of the same type then together they would give the same armor class as the armor in D&D would.

This was SCL's interpretation of armor in 3.5 too.

How's that bad actually? If anything it's improvement in that regarad compared to DnD. Saying that SCL (which was shitparade) is in any way simiilar to RB because of it is not far from saying that RB will be shit cause just like in SCL it features the same number of categories in main menu or cause lead programers dated the girl with the same name. Also difference between SCL's and RB's implementation of armor will probably be the same liike between RB's modding tools and SCL 'DM mode'. Liverpool and Crvena Zvezda, day and night apart.

Any stolen items you might have are tagged as stolen and those tags can only be removed by finding a merchant who is willing to deal in stolen goods.

So buying corpse-looted items is business as usual, but only crooks will buy stolen goods. The morality system in the game is indeed intricate.

Well you can't steal something which has no owner, anyway doesn't in every dude you kill last will in RPGs say: I leave all my earthly possessions and that whore of my wife to any strong enough motherfucker (in rest of will he'll be refered to as player character) who gets to kill me, either from first or seventeenth try. He can pick me clean until only my corpse in underwear is left. If he likes them and if they're his size, he can take them too. Their inventory size should be more then enough to fit any equipment he wants to store in them. I'd advise washing them first though...

Morality in this game if anything will be traditionally RPG

 

[ArchAngel]

Each hex on the map is about 2 miles and the complete world is 2.000 square miles, which means there are a million hexes in total.

Either it's a typo or someone can't into math.

Any stolen items you might have are tagged as stolen and those tags can only be removed by finding a merchant who is willing to deal in stolen goods.

So buying corpse-looted items is business as usual, but only crooks will buy stolen goods. The morality system in the game is indeed intricate.

He probably meant 2000x2000 = 4 000 000 but since each hex is 2x2 that is 1 000 000 hexes.

 

[BEvers]

More from Gobblin:

'Released in parts' is probably a little bit misleading here.

We plan to release additional parts or expansions as the Gold Box series did with Forgotten Realms Volume I-IV (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades and Pools of Darkness). But in contrast to those titles, our game will receive a huge update/DLC that unlocks the new content instead of releasing a whole new product. And we're talking here about another 60-100 hours gameplay that require about 12-16 months development time to make.

With every new 'expansion', the player will be able to explore new continents/regions of the world but keeps his/her character party. Along with new spells/classes/feats/items/monster, the level range of your characters and monsters will increase with each expansion.
Our approach is probably more like the one with Pen&Paper scenario/campaign books than with traditional sequels of games.

I already mentioned it in some German interview: Our company has been founded solely for the purpose to create this complex RPG world and framework. As long as it's financially viable (and we're fortunately quite a small studio), we want to continue expanding the gameplay mechanics, the simulation elements as well as the world itself.

I know you said 60-100hours, but is that base game, each expansions or base game + expansions? Because, 60-100 hours of game content is quite massive.

Yes, it's massive and therefore we spent a lot of our time and energy into creating user-friendly tools to create content. Beside that, we also have our own online wiki system with a customized google maps implementation that helps us to coordinate the process of world design and content creation.

The tools of our RPG framework are ready to use and we're now actively recruiting additional content contributors like writers, level designer and world designer. The upcoming KS campaign is intended to finance professional authors because good writing is the best and most crucial investment we have to do right now.

 

[The Wall]

More from Gobblin:

The tools of our RPG framework are ready to use and we're now actively recruiting additional content contributors like writers, level designer and world designer. The upcoming KS campaign is intended to finance professional authors because good writing is the best and most crucial investment we have to do right now.

Chris Avellone, Guido Henkel, Julian Lefay, Michael Kirkbride, Tim Cain - each one an RPG giant, each one a stretch goal?!

FINAL STRETCH GOAL: Alex Jones voices main villain and Info Wars reports about your party's adventures and changes/chaos you have plunged world into and all of that IN GAME??!

 

[BEvers]

We plan to start the early access end of 2019 and the release in early 2020.

If we don't reach our (moderate) goal on KS, we need to accept that the audience for such a game is even smaller than we already expected (~ 3000 backer). Which means, that this kind of product doesn't even generate the revenues to sustain a small indie team of 5-8 people.

3000 backers means Kickstarter goal of 150000 or so?