Decline PS4 wins the console war against XboxONE, yet it is a hollow victory as Consolesdämmerung is upon us

[Morgoth]

"All that RAM" means as much as you quoted, you twit. Since Vista Windows has loaded up your RAM with shit while you're on the desktop, but as soon as you launch memory-hogging software it ditches all that shit and runs on a much lower memory footprint. This is pretty standard knowledge.

Yeah, Windows is just gonna 'disappear' once you launch a game.

Please shoot yourself in the mouth.

 

[Zewp]

Morgoth, why are you so dumb?

 

[Morgoth]

Morgoth, why are you so dumb?

Don't be butthurt just because I'm right.

 

[Angthoron]

This is like that Cloud Computing thread all of a sudden.

 

[codexian reject]

Morgoth is the new Xi

 

[Space Satan]

 

[Curious_Tongue]

 

[Raghar]

DRM is memory intensive.

These 3 GB were for browser and Facebook integration.

 

[Spectacle]

Hey guys, if you want to run the xbox360 version of a next-gen game, buy a fucking xbox360. Don't expect them to port that old shit to the PC.

Sent from my D5503 using Tapatalk

 

[abija]

So let me get this straight. Watchdog recommends 7850 and it runs 900p@30fps on PS4. That would imply the PS4 GPU performs worse than a 7850?

 

[Cowboy Moment]

So let me get this straight. Watchdog recommends 7850 and it runs 900p@30fps on PS4. That would imply the PS4 GPU performs worse than a 7850?

More likely because of the PS4's dogshit CPU. Watch_Dogs has pretty hefty CPU requirements on PC and Ubisoft open-world games are known to be CPU hogs. Same reason BF4 runs better on equivalent PC GPUs compared to the PS4.

 

[Markman]

Lul the discussion. I really dont give a fuck, give me the game and the controller. If you have good enough PC then why play the same game with worse graphics/lower fps on a console and at the same time pay 20 bucks more for it. Any game that is available on x360 and on PC I play it on my PC for the most part. It comes down to the price too, PC versions are much cheaper anyway.
For example Lego The Hobbit is 20 euros standard on PC while on Xbox live it costs 60 euros. For the same fucking game that I play with the xbox gamepad. You do the math.

And WTF is with the Watch_Dogs hype, you popamole whores, atleast wait till the game is released.

 

[Xor]

And WTF is with the Watch_Dogs hype, you popamole whores, atleast wait till the game is released.

Morgoth brought it up in an attempt to show that next-gen games will require a $3000 computer running bleeding-edge quad core GPUs in order to get a decent framerate (decent in Morgoth's opinion probably being greater than 120),

I agree it's a pretty fucking stupid discussion.

 

[abija]

More likely because of the PS4's dogshit CPU. Watch_Dogs has pretty hefty CPU requirements on PC and Ubisoft open-world games are known to be CPU hogs. Same reason BF4 runs better on equivalent PC GPUs compared to the PS4.

CPU could very well be the reason for 30 fps but why would they go 900p if the GPU is actually on par with what they claim.
That's the type of optimization you do for the Iris Pro/Radeon R7 bracket.

 

[Markman]

The argument is shit from the beginning cause PS4 and Xbone can hardly handle todays games at 1080p. The consoles are not next gen. Any mid range PC can handle those resolutions on mid-high settings. Alot of people are already gaming on 1440p and I imagine when these consoles are in their prime in about 3 years still releasing games at 720p cause they cant handle it the difference will be much higher when even in 2017 mid range PC's will handle 1440p res without a hitch. And high end will move to 4k.

 

[Morgoth]

There's a reason why consoles are relatively underpowered. EU power consumption guidelines:
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/poli...d-imaging/files/console_maker_proposal_en.pdf

Consoles, however obsolete I think the concept of a closed system today is, aren't going anywhere due to the massive eco-system of game developers and affiliated networks and middleware that comes with it and is dependent on. There would be considerably less hype without big corporations showing off their first-party titles. Less hype --> many punks losing their jobs.

 

[abija]

Consoles are underpowered because they're supposed to go into power saving mode in standby and during video playback?

 

[Morgoth]

Consoles are underpowered because they're supposed to go into power saving mode in standby and during video playback?

No, we're talking max. TDP, not standby. Of course there's no limit set for gaming mode, but these are voluntary agreements with the console manufacturers, that if they comply with the EU Ecodesign directive (of 10TWh annual use) they may get taxbreaks cool credits. Or who knows, perhaps manufacturers actually *do* give a fuck about efficient eco-design. Hint: They actually do.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Consoles are underpowered because more powerful components cost more money, and everyone in the industry remembers the disaster that was the PS3 launch. That's the primary reason. Of course, powerful components drawing more power, and therefore generating more heat, requiring better (and noisier) cooling solutions, as well as larger cases, all do make a difference. But cost is definitely the top reason.

 

[Morgoth]

Consoles are underpowered because more powerful components cost more money, and everyone in the industry remembers the disaster that was the PS3 launch. That's the primary reason. Of course, powerful components drawing more power, and therefore generating more heat, requiring better (and noisier) cooling solutions, as well as larger cases, all do make a difference. But cost is definitely the top reason.

A clockrate increase costs zilch. They could have clocked the CPU @2,8 Ghz if they wanted to. But besides power draw it is also influencing the case design/cooler/air flow (minimal additional BOM) which requires a larger casing. Large cases don't look very sexy, according to marketing. So it's a balancing act. Like everything in engineering, it's a balancing act.

Bottom line is: $400 (actually, $350 + $ 50 for controller) is a good price for what these systems provide.

 

[AlexOfSpades]

400$ for subpar performance, poor controls, restriction to games that are mysteriously much more expensive + having to pay Live subscription/PSN every month to access basic features.

Pff, peasants...

 

[Ranselknulf]

But you can be part of the Playstation Culture.

 

[Dexter]

So let me get this straight. Watchdog recommends 7850 and it runs 900p@30fps on PS4. That would imply the PS4 GPU performs worse than a 7850?

The PS4 GPU is basically on the same level of a 7850, the Xboned is even worse off:

I also find it hilarious that he keeps bringing up some shitty AMD mobile CPU that is supposed to beat the "quad cores" when the CPU doesn't even do multi-threading, the X360 for instance had 3 Cores but 6 Threads while the "awesome new Mobile CPUs" have a single thread per core.

Also Watch Dogs has long since been Next-Gen'd:

 

[Morgoth]

You do know that PS4 devkits/debug versions are not representative of the final quality?

You also do know that, despite the shitty Jaguar cores, it's still superior to the 360 CPU or Ps3 CPU?

 

[Dexter]

You do know that PS4 devkits/debug versions are not representative of the final quality?

I'm sure they'll fix it till release, we will see.

Spoiler

You also do know that, despite the shitty Jaguar cores, it's still superior to the 360 CPU or Ps3 CPU?

They better damn well be, the X360 was released in 2005, you'd think technology and improvements to the base architecture might have progressed at least that far in the past 9 years, but it's not like they hold a candle up to any dedicated desktop CPUs, not to mention that actual octa cores (with 16 threads) are heading for the PC market at some point soon™: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/intel-extreme-edition-eight-core-cpu/