Decline PS4 wins the console war against XboxONE, yet it is a hollow victory as Consolesdämmerung is upon us

[Drew]

OK


Regardless of how retarded you may think you are in understanding console specs, you're certainly a grade A idiot if you think a decent PC costs $1000. Ludicrously incompetent, in fact.

Including new case, good PSU brand, 16GB RAM, new mobo, new CPU, new GPU..... yeah, I think $1000 is alright.

You're still wrong about the 7870M. Stop spreading disinformation, and learn to properly argue.

I spent ~$1100 USD on a completely new PC roughly a year ago.
I'm gaming at 1200p 120fps with most AAA titles on Ultra.

$600 seems like a decent place for "better than next gen" to start appearing.

 

[Morgoth]

I'm looking forward when Watch Dogs comes out in a couple weeks and half the internet is gonna whine because it runs so shitty on their supposedly superior PCs.

I can venture a guess why it will run like shit and it will have nothing to do with our PCs hardware.

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations. They even have their game running on 360/PS3/Wii U.

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Yes, welcome to 2014. Time to upgrade your supposedly superior PC.

 

[Drew]

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Except for that part where, in real life gaming, hyperthreading generally DECREASES performance by up to 5 FPS.
A 3670 will perform equally or even outperform a 3770 while gaming, and where they perform equally a higher clock speed is more important than the inclusion of hyperthreading. Whomever is suggesting a 3770 is retarded or on Intel's payroll.

 

[Duraframe300]

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations.

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations.

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations.



I mean they are not Rockstar levels of bad, but.....

 

[tuluse]

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations. They even have their game running on 360/PS3/Wii U.

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Yes, welcome to 2014. Time to upgrade your supposedly superior PC.

Dude wut. How is a 360 game requiring an i7 not a hack-job?

 

[Drew]

I mean they are not Rockstar levels of bad, but.....

Should we even mention how bad From fucked up DaS2?

 

[Angthoron]

It's okay, guys. We need people like Morgoth to keep dirty console peasants behind a perceived paywall.

Also, thanks to Morgothes, hardware manufacturers actually get money from the PC market.

Let him spread the glorious D1P culture among the hardware enthusiasts. Let him be the evangelist of jiggawatts extreme.

 

[Morgoth]

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Except for that part where, in real life gaming, hyperthreading generally DECREASES performance by up to 5 FPS.
A 3670 will perform equally or even outperform a 3770 while gaming, and where they perform equally a higher clock speed is more important than the inclusion of hyperthreading. Whomever is suggesting a 3770 is retarded or on Intel's payroll.

No it usually does not decrease performance, that's a myth spread by i5 cheapos.

Modern engines (like I'd expect used by Watch Dogs) are heavely multi-thread optimized, so 8-cores will benefit. The consoles use 8-cores too. Duh.

 

[Morgoth]

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations. They even have their game running on 360/PS3/Wii U.

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Yes, welcome to 2014. Time to upgrade your supposedly superior PC.

Dude wut. How is a 360 game requiring an i7 not a hack-job?

By not using the 360 as a baseline SKU for PC? Expect the 360 version to look horrible, play horrible and has all kinds of other shit cut out (crowd density, LOD etc.).

 

[Roderick]

I'm looking forward to when Watch Dogs comes out in a couple weeks and half the internet is gonna whine because it runs so shitty on their supposedly superior $500 PCs.

it will probably run badly on many pcs but that's probably to do with shit optimization

 

[Drew]

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Except for that part where, in real life gaming, hyperthreading generally DECREASES performance by up to 5 FPS.
A 3670 will perform equally or even outperform a 3770 while gaming, and where they perform equally a higher clock speed is more important than the inclusion of hyperthreading. Whomever is suggesting a 3770 is retarded or on Intel's payroll.

No it usually does not decrease performance, that's a myth spread by i5 cheapos.

Modern engines (like I'd expect used by Watch Dogs) are heavely multi-thread optimized, so 8-cores will benefit. The consoles use 8-cores too. Duh.

Mate most "modern engines" are still looking to be runnable on Core2duos. They are not optimized for 8 cores, because very few people have 8 physical cores.
Even in places where hyperthreading does not slow down performance, it will only offer a 1-2fps gain for an extra $100 USD.

I'm almost wondering if you're on Intel's payroll, given how hard you're pushing something that offers no benefit for a ton more money.

 

[tuluse]

By not using the 360 as a baseline SKU for PC? Expect the 360 version to look horrible, play horrible and has all kinds of other shit cut out (crowd density, LOD etc.).

You may be interested to know that the CPU does not actually render the graphics, so graphic quality is not beholden to having a fast CPU.

Also, why wouldn't they let people with slower computers play the 360 version and people with faster computers could play the better version? This is something called scaling that computer game makers have been doing since about 1996.

 

[Morgoth]

For comparison, PC version recommended is a Core i7 3770.

Except for that part where, in real life gaming, hyperthreading generally DECREASES performance by up to 5 FPS.
A 3670 will perform equally or even outperform a 3770 while gaming, and where they perform equally a higher clock speed is more important than the inclusion of hyperthreading. Whomever is suggesting a 3770 is retarded or on Intel's payroll.

No it usually does not decrease performance, that's a myth spread by i5 cheapos.

Modern engines (like I'd expect used by Watch Dogs) are heavely multi-thread optimized, so 8-cores will benefit. The consoles use 8-cores too. Duh.

Mate most "modern engines" are still looking to be runnable on Core2duos. They are not optimized for 8 cores, because very few people have 8 physical cores.
Even in places where hyperthreading does not slow down performance, it will only offer a 1-2fps gain for an extra $100 USD.

I'm almost wondering if you're on Intel's payroll, given how hard you're pushing something that offers no benefit for a ton more money.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/243470/

• 
  Minimum:
  • OS: Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) or Windows 8 (Please note that we only support 64 bit OSs.)
  • Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 @ 2.66Ghz or AMD Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.0Ghz
  • Memory: 6 GB RAM
  • Graphics: DirectX 11 graphics card with 1 GB Video RAM - Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 or AMD Radeon HD 5770
  • DirectX: Version 11
  • Hard Drive: 25 GB available space
  • Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card with Latest Drivers
  • Additional Notes: Broadband connection and service required for multiplayer mode. Supported Video Cards at Time of Release: nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series; AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series Intel® Iris™ Pro HD 5200

• 
  Recommended:
  • OS: Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) or Windows 8 (Please note that we only support 64 bit OSs.)
  • Processor: Eight core - Intel Core i7-3770 @3.5 GHz or AMD FX-8350 X8 @ 4 GHz
  • Memory: 8 GB RAM
  • Graphics: DirectX 11 graphics card with 2 GB Video RAM - Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 ti or AMD Radeon HD 7850
  • DirectX: Version 11
  • Hard Drive: 25 GB available space
  • Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Sound Card with Latest Drivers
  • Additional Notes: Broadband connection and service required for multiplayer mode. Supported Video Cards at Time of Release: nVidia GeForce GTX460 or better, GT500, GT600, GT700 series; AMD Radeon HD5850 or better, HD6000, HD7000, R7 and R9 series Intel® Iris™ Pro HD 5200

A Quad-Core and DX11 card is the absolute minimum. That's not the same minimum as GTA 4, Skyrim, Saints Row or other shit that still uses Core 2 Duo and DX9 cards.

Yes it's happening. Please enjoy this and future games on your supposedly superior $500 PC.

 

[Ebonsword]

Nothing quite like alienating your day one supporters, eh?

Looks like this version won't come with the Kinect.


Good. Hopefully, this will be another nail in the coffin for that worthless surveillance device.

 

[Morgoth]

Funny how nobody has yet noticed that Texture, Shader and Polygon fidelity also has impact on hardware requirements. Yes, it's happening.

 

[Infinitron]

Holy shit, talking boobs!

Yet pitifully few views: https://www.youtube.com/user/KristiThinks/videos

What happened to the Internet?

 

[Cowboy Moment]

there's still lots of hidden power that needs to be exploited

Programmers disagree with you. They haven't even got started working on the new architecture.

Is that why PS4 consistently performs about as well in multiplatform titles as the GPU (somewhere between 7850 and 7870) would suggest? Or does it take the magic of Sony first party studios and their cinematic camera angles and copious postprocessing in order to bring out the secret sauce in the PS4? What do you think, Morgoth-chan?

 

[Morgoth]

All early console titles of a new generation look like shit. Give it time, and watch how PC system requirements will rise over time, too.

 

[Drew]

Yes, it's happening.

Oh no! My $200 laptop that I use for notepad and fuckbook with a core2duo that I bought in 2005 won't be able to play AAA games a decade later!
Clearly I must spend $1500 on a new desktop to make the minimum specs.

Oh wait. Nope.

Here's your recommended specs for $712.

Spoiler

 

[Morgoth]

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious who recommends an AMD CPU.

Also lol@ entry level GTX 750 Ti.

Cheapo.

 

[Xor]

You really do work for Intel.

Also, anyone who wastes money on a modern i7 is just throwing away money. A decent i5 will do the same job for $200 less. Pretty much the same case with GPUs. Performance gains become completely negligible with high-end products. If you spend more than about $1000 on your computer you're just wasting money you could use to upgrade in a year or two with new, superior hardware.

Holy shit, talking boobs!

Yet pitifully few views: https://www.youtube.com/user/KristiThinks/videos

What happened to the Internet?

It's so easy to see boobs on the internet that they've become devalued.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

These US prices man...

 

[DeepOcean]

Oh shit, the D1P guys are going to be PISSED!

They really deserve Bill Gates golden shower on their face to stop being consumerist whores. Anyone that act surprised by this needs a CAT Scan to detect brain activity.

 

[tuluse]

Sorry, I can't take anyone serious who recommends an AMD CPU.

...the cpu that's in every console that is supposedly unbeatable by anything less than an i7...

 

[DeepOcean]

Ubisoft is not some hack-job company when it comes to engine optimizations. They even have their game running on 360/PS3/Wii U.

Do you know that there is an interview with an Ubisoft guy basicaly saying they don't give a fuck to optimization, right?