Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[GloomFrost]

Doesn't feel weird or out of place, unlike Twin Elms which has no business being that big.

Never said anything about it being out of place. Its the way naval exploration made it makes game even more bloated and monotones. Also all that endless trash mob combat gives way too much XP and gold completely destroying any hint of balance.

 

[almondblight]

Twin Elms probably would have worked better if it was just another Dyrwood city. The whole multiracial feudal Americans colonist stand-ins fighting multiracial American Indian stand-ins was a weird and unnecessary angle in general. Another area where the game tried too hard and felt worse because of it. The faux-celtic name for the American Indian stand-in didn't help, either.

 

[Axel_am]

Twin Elms needed more stuff related to the gods and maybe that to be the sole focus of the area.

 

[Lacrymas]

Twin Elms didn't need to exist because it obviously took too much effort and it feels unfinished anyway because it lacks content.

 

[ColonelMace]

Twin Elms didn't need to exist

It was close to a contractual obligation at this point.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeah, I know, but the game was stretched thin as it is. The best scenario would be to not bloat your kickstarter goals, but if you've already done that the best praxis would be to start cutting.

 

[ColonelMace]

They learnt their lesson with the second kickstarter. Deadfire's shortcomings are not due to any stretch goal, or at least none that I can remember (they basically promised stuff they already intended to do, like add islands, which isn't exactly an issue when designing an archipelago, or sea monsters, which is infinitely easier to implement than a whole fucking city).
Any problem in pacing was entirely on them and on Josh this time. Although, I think Deadfire is much more consistent in its overall design & content, and I believe not grieving themselves with fabulously optimistic stretch goals certainly helped.

 

[almondblight]

One of the worst parts of the game is the writing, but if you just scan through it and skip over most of the stuff things are much more enjoyable.

 

[Axel_am]

https://www.twitch.tv/werglia/clip/TastyBetterDunlinShazBotstix--YyBTDnFnQg1WzqN
I couldn't agree more.

 

[almondblight]

Putting massive groups of enemies right next to each other is pretty rage inducing in this game. You're doing a tough fight, but you're doing pretty well, and then all of a sudden one of your characters ventures a step to far out of the way and a couple dozen new enemies come smashing into your back line. In general the game has far too many trash mobs, but them being packed right against each other is just idiotic.

 

[Modron]

Putting massive groups of enemies right next to each other is pretty rage inducing in this game. You're doing a tough fight, but you're doing pretty well, and then all of a sudden one of your characters ventures a step to far out of the way and a couple dozen new enemies come smashing into your back line. In general the game has far too many trash mobs, but them being packed right against each other is just idiotic.

Proud Icewind Dale design tradition.

 

[Jvegi]

IWD is good though.

almondblight should also git gud.

 

[almondblight]

Eh...scouting and managing zones of aggression between different groups of enemies while your characters make confusing pathfinding positions isn't particularly fun. It's actually similar to the issues with the dragon fights - you need precision, but the game's not particularly great at precision.

 

[ferratilis]

The only place where that happened to me was in front of Caed Nua, and that fight can be easily avoided. You're blowing it out of proportion, sounds like skill issue.

 

[almondblight]

The only place where that happened to me was in front of Caed Nua, and that fight can be easily avoided.

Longwatch Falls alone has several places where that happens. Just to give a few examples - at the top of the ramp of the main road, for example, there's an encounter that triggers if you go a bit to the left of the map, and a higher level bounty that triggers if you go a bit to the right (obviously won't be there if you don't have the bounty, though). If you follow the main map up the road and fight the encounter there, it's easy for the encounter on the cliffs to be triggered and hit you from behind. The thermal pools have about 20 fish people spread all over the place, though I don't know if the intent was to have you fight all 20 at once or not (the placement is too spread out for an intended mass encounter but too close for the intent of having them be separate encounters).

Another map I remember being particularly bad about that was the one with the adra arch.

You're blowing it out of proportion, sounds like skill issue.

As I said, I don't particularly like managing zones of enemy aggression so much. It's annoying to do in combat; autopause out of combat can stop wayward pathfinding from triggering things you don't want, but in combat you have to babysit all of your characters, particularly with the odd pathfinding.

 

[The Limper]

I always thought the maps were packed way too tight. Seems they could of made bigger maps or adjusted ‘something..’. I liked the graphics but….. seems like if all the characters/enemies were just a bit smaller in size it would of fit better. I’m not a game designer, merely a mindless rpg zombi with endless appetite, but even i could tell there was something out of sync on the maps. I still enjoyed the game but….but the maps felt off.