Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[volklore]

They even added in mythic armour abilities/feats in Wrath and still didn't fix the problem because they are almost all garbage

The heavy armor avoidance one is extremely good seeing how insanely high you can stack strength, and you get the whole extra AC right of the bat rather than scaling with mythic ranks.
I just hate the fact it's making mutation warrior into a tank when it's supposed to be an archetype that gives up defense (armor training) for more dmg and a static ac buff from mutagen compounded by the fact owlcat implementation of fighter is horrendously incomplete - no advanced armor training, missing a lot of advanced weapon training etc...)

There's more there than meets the eye. Advanced Weapon Training was implemented with last P:K DLC.

Mut Warrior has always been highly overrated. Hangover from the Vivi hype and Mut gets the Vivi stuff on a heavy delay.

Standard free Dazzling + Bloodline on Scion, TSS, and even Aldori are just more interesting.

Yes Advanced weapon training was added but you very partially (advanced armor training feats are just entirely missing)

1) you can only pick an advanced training option when you reach weapon training +2 (instead of picking a second group) but you should also be able to pick them as regular feats from the moment you reach +1 training bonus with a limitation of 1 advanced training feat per 1 point of weapon training bonus you unlocked.
2) There's a lot of missing options in there including a replica of warpriest sacred weapon applying to your trained weapons as well as weapon enchants (with a small resource pool that scales with weapon training but still a great option to spike on a fighter)

Advanced armor and weapon training are basically additional scaling class features you can pick and chose, and a lot of them are missing which I think hurt fighter quite a lot compared to more properly implemented classes.

TTT/CotW fix all this of course.

 

[TedNugent]

Wow, I was just looking at the mythic armor feats.

How does strength increase armor class exactly?

Me big number go up make other number go down. Ooga boog.

How the fuck does it replace dex modifier?

 

[volklore]

Wow, I was just looking at the mythic armor feats.

How does strength increase armor class exactly?

Me big number go up make other number go down. Ooga boog.

How the fuck does it replace dex modifier?

Owlcat low effort way of giving players what they asked for.
TTT, I think, solved the armor mythics issue a lot more elegantly (there 1 mythic ability that increases dex mod for armor scaling with mythic ranks and 1 mythic ability increasing the armor bonus of worn armor scaling with mythic rank) on top of implementing a lot of missing fighter class features.

 

[Desiderius]

They even added in mythic armour abilities/feats in Wrath and still didn't fix the problem because they are almost all garbage

The heavy armor avoidance one is extremely good seeing how insanely high you can stack strength, and you get the whole extra AC right of the bat rather than scaling with mythic ranks.
I just hate the fact it's making mutation warrior into a tank when it's supposed to be an archetype that gives up defense (armor training) for more dmg and a static ac buff from mutagen compounded by the fact owlcat implementation of fighter is horrendously incomplete - no advanced armor training, missing a lot of advanced weapon training etc...)

There's more there than meets the eye. Advanced Weapon Training was implemented with last P:K DLC.

Mut Warrior has always been highly overrated. Hangover from the Vivi hype and Mut gets the Vivi stuff on a heavy delay.

Standard free Dazzling + Bloodline on Scion, TSS, and even Aldori are just more interesting.

Yes Advanced weapon training was added but you very partially (advanced armor training feats are just entirely missing)

1) you can only pick an advanced training option when you reach weapon training +2 (instead of picking a second group) but you should also be able to pick them as regular feats from the moment you reach +1 training bonus with a limitation of 1 advanced training feat per 1 point of weapon training bonus you unlocked.
2) There's a lot of missing options in there including a replica of warpriest sacred weapon applying to your trained weapons as well as weapon enchants (with a small resource pool that scales with weapon training but still a great option to spike on a fighter)

Advanced armor and weapon training are basically additional scaling class features you can pick and chose, and a lot of them are missing which I think hurt fighter quite a lot compared to more properly implemented classes.

TTT/CotW fix all this of course.

The ones you can get are the ones I wanted anyway, particularly Fighter’s Tactics. The Advanced Armor ones are underwhelming.

 

[Desiderius]

Wow, I was just looking at the mythic armor feats.

How does strength increase armor class exactly?

Me big number go up make other number go down. Ooga boog.

How the fuck does it replace dex modifier?

Takes strength to move adroitly in Heavy Armor. Moving adroitly makes one harder to hit accurately, which is what is required to penetrate Heavy Armor.

Stop trying to be edgy where it isn’t warranted.

 

[Desiderius]

Wow, I was just looking at the mythic armor feats.

How does strength increase armor class exactly?

Me big number go up make other number go down. Ooga boog.

How the fuck does it replace dex modifier?

Owlcat low effort way of giving players what they asked for.
TTT, I think, solved the armor mythics issue a lot more elegantly (there 1 mythic ability that increases dex mod for armor scaling with mythic ranks and 1 mythic ability increasing the armor bonus of worn armor scaling with mythic rank) on top of implementing a lot of missing fighter class features.

Those were nice, but I like several of the new ones too. Boosting Reflex saves in conjunction with Evasion effects is always welcome for instance, and Icy Prison/Grease is also Reflex.

 

[TedNugent]

Wow, I was just looking at the mythic armor feats.

How does strength increase armor class exactly?

Me big number go up make other number go down. Ooga boog.

How the fuck does it replace dex modifier?

Takes strength to move adroitly in Heavy Armor. Moving adroitly makes one harder to hit accurately, which is what is required to penetrate Heavy Armor.

Stop trying to be edgy where it isn’t warranted.

I'd think there would be a delta on that, no?

Heavy armor in game is plate, plate is in actuality no heavier than a hauberk plus gear, which is in turn no heavier than the kit of a legionnaire or a modern soldier with plate carriers. A plate harness actually distributes the weight better over the body due to an abundance of straps, whereas chain is more flexible with only one strap (belt).

Strength isn't really the factor, most women and seedlings can stand while wearing 60 pounds, walking effectively is part strength but primarily endurance/stamina/conditioning, but I realize that D&D stat sheet doesnt have that granularity.

Now if you were wearing fat suits from Dark Souls, that would maybe make more sense.

In that case, why not make encumbrance ratio affect AC linearly?

Anyway, it's a very "gamey" mechanic but I'll take your point not to scratch at it even if it's silly.

 

[General Disarray]

I went with a two handed fighter, all the 4 cleave skills, glavie with reach, routinely hit 5 mobs a round. So figting trash mobs is quite fun actually. Supported with bard and priest helps with hits. Heroism, bless, prayer, good hope etc etc. I have Valerie as heavy shield tank and then I basically can take who I want even if the goblin is the best dps machine, but I like the ranger as well, was good on lower levels.

Does enlarge person work with reach? Could I hit even more mobs if I take the potion in fights?

 

[Average Manatee]

With multiple size increases and a reach weapon you can practically be a ranged character

 

[mediocrepoet]

With multiple size increases and a reach weapon you can practically be a ranged character

I think Haplo has some pictures/videos kicking around itt where his engagement circle is basically the entire screen.

 

[Haplo]

Does enlarge person work with reach? Could I hit even more mobs if I take the potion in fights?

Sure does! Legendary Proportions is even better!

With multiple size increases and a reach weapon you can practically be a ranged character

Not quite in Kingmaker. In Wrath however... Over 30 ft melee reach should be possible AFAIR!

With multiple size increases and a reach weapon you can practically be a ranged character

I think Haplo has some pictures/videos kicking around itt where his engagement circle is basically the entire screen.

Afraid not, my reach in Kingmaker was pretty humble (would be a bit more with a reach weapon) ...I think you remeber the videos from Wrath (even though I didn't come close to maximizing attack reach there)

 

[Beans00]

There should be no waiting around if you’re doing KM right. If you’re getting the most out of it you’d kill for more time.

I beat kingmaker in 87 hours(this is like 8 months later lol) and probably 50 of those hours were me being bored waiting around, or doing the shitty kingdom management.

 

[Litmanen]

Hi guys, I've decided to stop playing games I already know I'll not like and start playing those I'm craving to play for years.

So, here I am. I'm loving it (I've just defeated two times the bandits in the outpost so... 2 hours in the game..?!).

But I have a question: I'm an Inquisitor and cannot find "Judgement". It says that I have it from the first level (and now I'm level 2) and that's a "swift" action. If I click on the "swift" button, nothing happens and I cannot find it anywhere else.

Any suggestion?

Is it, maybe, because I'm a Sacred Huntmaster?

 

[Average Manatee]

Yes, Sacred Huntmaster exchanges judgements for their pet and favored enemy stuff

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I'm an Inquisitor and cannot find "Judgement

Makes you a pretty lousy inquisitor don't it?

 

[Haplo]

Nah, the pet is good.

 

[Yosharian]

Pets in general but especially Smilodons basically make Kingmaker faceroll.

 

[Cael]

I prefer the Elk. Get it in position and open with a charge and you basically chunk a bad guy straight off the bat.

 

[razvedchiki]

depends on the difficulty, on hard you need pretty much all the buffs in the game for the animal companions to survive them combat encounters.
COTW mod also diminishes their power.

 

[Grunker]

I played on Unfair and companions were still OP as shit

 

[Yosharian]

I played on Unfair and companions were still OP as shit

Yeah true unfair (with those ridiculous cuts) just makes deaths more common, and that makes pets even better

 

[Litmanen]

Yes, Sacred Huntmaster exchanges judgements for their pet and favored enemy stuff

Thank you!

I'm an Inquisitor and cannot find "Judgement

Makes you a pretty lousy inquisitor don't it?

I have been a lot of lousy characters in my life! I will just add one!

Nah, the pet is good.

Pets in general but especially Smilodons basically make Kingmaker faceroll.

depends on the difficulty, on hard you need pretty much all the buffs in the game for the animal companions to survive them combat encounters.
COTW mod also diminishes their power.

I played on Unfair and companions were still OP as shit

I'm playing on hard (and I haven't gone so far, as I said, I'm still in the Outpost) and have choosen the jaguar. It's nice, very prone to death but effective when alive. Then we'll see

 

[Desiderius]

There should be no waiting around if you’re doing KM right. If you’re getting the most out of it you’d kill for more time.

I beat kingmaker in 87 hours(this is like 8 months later lol) and probably 50 of those hours were me being bored waiting around, or doing the shitty kingdom management.

That's because you sucked at it so badly your ranks were too low to unlock shit.

Git gud and you won't be bored but the opposite.

 

[Desiderius]

I prefer the Elk. Get it in position and open with a charge and you basically chunk a bad guy straight off the bat.

They really do a good job making each pet (a little too) good in its own distinctive way. Even Centipede is mind-immune.

Leopard should have the highest survivability. Make sure to let it drink Mage Armor potions Litmanen and give it 3 Mobility to get an extra 3 AC from fighting defensively and it should be your best tank.

Shield of Faith and Barkskin will also be regulars for it once you can cast and keep them up.

 

[Grunker]

I'm playing on hard (and I haven't gone so far, as I said, I'm still in the Outpost) and have choosen the jaguar. It's nice, very prone to death but effective when alive. Then we'll see

Just like Yosharion says, it's precisely because harder difficulties are so lethal that more targets who even deal damage and control the battlefield are so good. In essence:



As Desi says, Leopard is the best for survival (can get ridic AC), while Smilo can deal fucktons of damage