Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Infinitron]

Yeah!

What you can do though is encrypt the assets. For example, Blackguards does that for many of its assets, and also spreads them across hundreds of files, making them difficult to find. Hopefully Obsidian won't do that.

 

[Sensuki]

I found one of them. Do you know if there's one that does *.unity3d files ?

 

[Infinitron]

I found one of them. Do you know if there's one that does *.unity3d files ?

Search for something called "disunity". I think that's the other one.

 

[Sensuki]

Cool, well I'm sure once more of these KS's come out those tools will be developed further.

 

[octavius]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

 

[Osvir]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

Too excited. Can't comprehend.

 

[Abu Antar]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

Maybe when I have played the beta for 50 hours I will come here and complain. Then I will play the full release for 400 hours and come complain a bit more.

 

[Jedi Exile]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

People are mostly arguing about mechanics. Codexers will never get tired of it.

 

[octavius]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

People are mostly arguing about mechanics. Codexers will never get tired of it.

The game industry is too full of wannabe movie makers. The Codex is too full of wannabe game makers.
Personally I don't think I would be able to enjoy a game if I had already disected and analyzed it from every possible angle before I played it.

 

[Perkel]

Wow, 1266 pages of discussion.
Aren't you guys worried you'll be sick and tired of the game by the time it gets released?

People are mostly arguing about mechanics. Codexers will never get tired of it.

The game industry is too full of wannabe movie makers. The Codex is too full of wannabe game makers.
Personally I don't think I would be able to enjoy a game if I had already disected and analyzed it from every possible angle before I played it.

That is how usually hardcore porno starts.

 

[Grunker]

The Codex is too full of wannabe game makers.

As a wise man once said, you do not have to be a cook to determine that the food tastes like shit.

 

[Hormalakh]

The Codex is too full of wannabe game makers.

As a wise man once said, you do not have to be a cook to determine that the food tastes like shit.

Except in this case, the food isn't done yet and people are arguing about the presentation of the dish.

 

[Crooked Bee]

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/495677649894002689

currently, an all-chanter party would demolish everything in pillars of eternity. #whoops #tuning

 

[Abu Antar]

I've read that a couple of times before. Or maybe that time it was Ciphers. I can't remember.

 

[Grunker]

The Codex is too full of wannabe game makers.

As a wise man once said, you do not have to be a cook to determine that the food tastes like shit.

Except in this case, the food isn't done yet and people are arguing about the presentation of the dish.

If we want to stick to the poor metaphor, mechanics are hardly presentation.

 

[Roguey]

As Josh says

how things actually work matters more than how people react to the idea of how they will work. I.e., there are really two levels of response to something in the game: the idea of what it is (often interpreted outside of the game) and the reality of what it is. The idea is often more upsetting or disconcerting to people than the reality. But the bottom line is that the reality actually has to be enjoyable in the context of the game, regardless of where the idea started or what the intent was.

Though feedback is always important. For example, thanks to feedback, Josh decided to make a more-boring game than he originally intended.

 

[Sensuki]

How is it more boring, based off feedback?

There's only really been one "big" change and that was the removal of the durability mechanic from crafting. The other feedback based changes will make sfa difference in the long run (such as the attribute combat bonuses).

 

[Roguey]

How is it more boring, based off feedback?

http://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.ph...k-paper-shotgun-continued.93254/#post-3409762

I understand why he decided to go this way; PoE's target demo is people who enjoyed the IE games, not people like me who could barely tolerate them.

The other feedback based changes will make sfa difference in the long run (such as the attribute combat bonuses).

I disagree.

I believe the most skillfully executed designs in any medium appear effortless and natural. In reality, it typically takes an enormous amount of time, effort, and iteration to reach that point. It is extraordinarily uncommon for good design to arrive from a single, artful stroke of the pen, though the best designs will appear to have been made in that way.

 

[Sensuki]

I disagree.

The very first complete iteration shown to the public about attributes was: Strength (Health and Item Slots), Dexterity (Accuracy), Constitution (Stamina), Intellect (Damage and Healing), Perception (Critical Damage) and Resolve (AoEs/Durations)

I think the change to the current system is better. Critical Damage is problematic because it requires a crit to even be useful, and is thus reliant on Accuracy. If a character has a high perception but a low accuracy, they have created a "bad character" - something which goes against the system goals. A high con and a low strength is also pretty dangerous. I also don't like the idea of strength governing total carry slots, but that's just my opinion.

I'm not a HUGE fan of Interrupt and Concentration being the sole combat stat of an attribute in the new system, but it is a good system that will probably come pretty darn close to filling all of Josh's design goals for the attribute system that he set out to. I'm looking forward to seeing what can be done with some of the class/attribute combos as long as we are given a decent enough range of attribute points to spend. Currently I think it's a bit low.

Re: the souls thing - fair enough.

 

[Mangoose]

Though feedback is always important. For example, thanks to feedback, Josh decided to make a more-boring game than he originally intended.

That's his own fault. Receiving feedback doesn't mean he has to agree with it.

 

[Rake]

http://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.ph...k-paper-shotgun-continued.93254/#post-3409762

How is this the feedback''s fault? What feedback? He alone made the stupid decision to make the spell's D&Dish. He already removed the game's rules far from AD&D, and the complains were minimal. If he had made the decision to follow their vision and have the power's follow his soul based approach, i bet the backers would be supportive in their absolute majority

 

[Athelas]

The Interrupt and Concentration mechanics have a lot of potential IMO.

Plus, the simulationist should be happy that being attacked by a dozen enemies at once may actually hinder your ability to fight back now.

 

[Grotesque]

There's only really been one "big" change and that was the removal of the durability mechanic from crafting.

If this is out, what other real money sinks the game will have that will prevent me to have a shitload of money (like in the best game you'll ever play in your fuckin pathetic life) called Divinity Original Sin where I've became so overpowered that the game became a borefest?
I swear to a nonexisting God, if that will also happen in this game, I will write an angry letter to Sawyer!

 

[Jagged Appliance]

There's only really been one "big" change and that was the removal of the durability mechanic from crafting.

If this is out, what other real money sinks the game will have that will prevent me to have a shitload of money (like in the best game you'll ever play in your fuckin pathetic life) called Divinity Original Sin where I've became so overpowered that the game became a borefest?
I swear to a nonexisting God, if that will also happen in this game, I will write an angry letter to Sawyer!

If there isn't a ton of OP shit to buy then loads of money doesn't mean easymode.

 

[garren]

I've always liked it in games when money is very scarce but you have a lot of useful stuff to buy. But because the genre is based on kleptomania (if given the chance with lots of shit to steal), you usually end up with a ton of money and near the end of the game can buy anything you might want. Man I wish there'd be a decent game where after stealing and selling everything you still can't get all the good and worthwhile stuff from vendors.