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Nevill

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Burglary might land us in prison. What's the worst that can happen in A2?

Why would A2 not work? So far we have concentrated on consequences, not on actual chances of working.
 
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I'm flip-flopping to A2 (will update my post). I still think that A2 will hurt Yao's reputation and would be much happier if we could find a way to keep him out of this, even though that might not be possible at this point. What convinced me to switch is the possible consequences B would have with Cao'er. Crazy or not, she is the closest thing we have to a friend and ally, and I fear that if B becomes public it would hurt our relationship with her (she does after all seem to have something of a crush on us).

Damn, we really went unprepared into this. We should have cased the place and gathered some info on the old lady before we ever committed ourselves like that. Why the hell did we take laxatives with us? We should have let Cao'er whip us something more valuable instead. Like a very potent aphrodisiac or maybe something with completely opposite effect that the wife could use to control her husband's night-time excursions. Something like that would make for an excellent bargaining chip right now.
 

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Zero Credibility said:
I still think that A2 will hurt Yao's reputation and would be much happier if we could find a way to keep him out of this, even though that might not be possible at this point.
Eh, well... he made his reputation healing ailments, not selling beauty charms. At most, he will be known as the one who travels with a charlatan. His doctor reputation would not suffer... much.
 

Baltika9

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"Eh well" is a bad approach to this. Yao is dead serious about his profession, nothing we do here will piss him off more than this. He won't really care for seduction or our removing from inventories or even being forced to leave, he doesn't care about mundane things. Disgracing his teachings will, though.

If we don't get caught, I doubt anyone will even check for the papers specifically once we're dismissed; it will take the husband a while to return from his trip, notice the theft, "Ooh, I wonder if my invitation is still in the desk. I'm late for the trials already, but let me make a random check just because."
It will take him even longer if the wife has reason to hide it with B, probably will pin it on her least favorite maid.

If the Miao girl wants to fuck us over, she can do no matter what we do, everything here is illegal, so might as well not worry about her involvment if it's going to happen.
 
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Damn, we really went unprepared into this. We should have cased the place and gathered some info on the old lady before we ever committed ourselves like that.

You are entirely free to turn this attempt into a casing operation using the C options. Then again, hindsight is perfect. Bemoan your misfortune. :D
 

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Dont care to much what choice here will be but if we will hit reputation of person able to kill in line of his duty we will be loyally screwed. Dont screw with killer physician.
 

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Bros, consider that we have an astronomically high chance of being cockblocked even if we go for B. Treave hasn't exactly been doling out much of this tomfoolery in the past, why would he change that now? I'm pretty sure it'll be funny, though, so I'll vote B.

There's also getting bitten on the dick by a snake when the poison lady inevitably intervenes and requiring someone to suck out the poison, I guess.
 

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Smashing Axe - B2
Azira - A2
TOME - B2
Zero Credibility - C2 > A2 >C1
ERYFKRAD - B2
Storyfag - B2
Grimgravy - C1
Kipeci - B1
Jester - B1
Esquilax - C1
Nevill - C1 > A2
Lambchop19 - B2
Tigranes - C1 > A2
The Brazilian Slaughter - B1
Baltika9 - C1 > B1
LWC1996 - A1
ScubaV - B2
Ifeex - B2
Nim - B2

Current tally:

A1 - 1
B1 - 3
C1 - 6

A2 - 1
B2 - 8
C2 - 0
 
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I can see the merits of Esquilax's argument that she doesn't want to feel used, but considering our year-long celibacy and endurance of only 5, I'm not sure we would outlast her sufficiently to sneak off with B1.

Voting B2.
 

Baltika9

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Sounds like she's been frustrated for a long while too so it should be easy for us. It's better to di this right, even if what we're doing is wrong. I don't want Jing to become a heartless, soulless gigolo, bros, let us keep his passion and love of the female form burning!

Or why don't we put a spin on B2 that doesn't make her feel used: "But Mistress, I can't possibly return without the invitation, you see, or I would be punished for being a bad, bad boy. We don't want that, do we Mistress?"
 
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I can see the merits of Esquilax's argument that she doesn't want to feel used, but considering our year-long celibacy and endurance of only 5, I'm not sure we would outlast her sufficiently to sneak off with B1.

Jing has a tongue, doesn't he? He can use it. Then again, bad luck might prevent us from getting hard. Jing will pull it out only to find he has a tumour growing out of his cock.

:troll:

Nevill, I'm talking Jiang Du's wife. I believe that we're talking past one another. I thought that you were referring to Madame Jiang speaking up about the affair, but you were talking about the Miao girl witnessing the adultery and using it as blackmail against us. If so, blackmail is just as likely with us fucking her as it is with us conning her. I don't know what she's thinking, I don't know if she'll see it, and frankly, I think we can't really accurately speculate as to what she'd think. That being said, out of all our options, sleeping with her, then taking the invitation is the least likely to have the event traced back to us. She might resent her husband, but Lambchop19 is wrong in suggesting that this woman would admit to fucking some kid out of spite. I'm not sure what the laws against adultery are in this setting, but I doubt it's pretty. She's not going to rat, because she'll die if she rats. Conning her with A1 and stealing the invitation traces it back to us.

A2 I'm a bit iffy about. On the one hand, it might get traced back to us, but on the other, if she really believes that we've got a miracle cure, she could keep buying it. Which... would be even shittier than what we're about to do now. But still, if you want to do this quietly, B1 is the way to go. I just think it's incredibly naive to believe that we can fuck this woman and she'll just give us the invitation like that after we're done. She'll either want us to keep coming back or she'll tell us to get out of her house immediately because we made her feel cheap.

I'm even inclined to C1, but given our Sneak skill of 1 (3 with the Yinglang Step), an alert Madame Jiang, and a bunch of chambermaids running about, I'm not sure about our chances here. If we do pull it off, we would earn Chi Qilin's respect without any of the nastier consequences for sure. No question it's harder, though. Would love to see if you bros are down to discuss it or flop? Baltika9
 
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Baltika9

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Hey, I already have it on secondary and am open to a flop. I like B1 for the "practice" and pissing off Chi, and C1 is much more difficult, but I'm willing. It will definitely increase our skills in stealth if we pull it off, win Qiulin's respect instead of scorn/jealousy and keep us out of the precarious position of adultery (that's pretty sketchy and immoral, really).

And then there's Yunzi.
In fact, C1>B1.

Edit: The Brazilian Slaughter, don't give up hope bro, true love can prevail! We don't have to let the first cougar jump our bones!
 
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As Madam Jiang's rough breathing grows more frenzied, you pull your lips and fingers away from her body. "Wh-why are you stopping?" she moans huskily. You give her an apologetic look. “I’m sorry, madam, but this is not right. My master sent me here to obtain the invite, but here I am losing myself in pleasure with a beautiful woman without a care for the mission he gave me.”

The woman rolls her eyes, sitting up in the bed without any care for modesty. You trace a finger over her flushed cheeks before pulling away guiltily. “No, I can’t, Madam Jiang.”

“Of course you can. If it’s the invite you’re worried about, I’ll just pass it to you afterwards so that you don’t get in trouble with your master,” she says hastily, pulling at your hand. She seems keen - desperate, even - for you to come back to bed. Of course, you had timed your withdrawal perfectly. It is all going according to plan.

“But… what about your husband?” you ask. “Would he not mind that it goes missing?”

“It’d serve him right,” she snaps. “Maybe he can learn to keep his own things safe. It'll be a good lesson and I'll find joy in seeing his sullen face when he finds that it is gone. Now, enough about that useless man, and let’s continue where we left off…”

...and that is what the Rogue would do.

edit: As for adultery punishment, it is different in the cosmopolitan cities. They'd just give her fingers some painful squeezing between bamboo sticks, perhaps some lashes, cut her hair, put her in the stockades. Men get more lashes and stockades too. In the rural areas, adulterers, both men and women, are put into pig cages and tossed in the river.
 
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Nevill

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Kipeci said:
I'm pretty sure it'll be funny, though, so I'll vote B.
Fuck ups are hilarious to watch, but I would not vote on this sole reason.

Esquilax said:
Nevill, I'm talking Jiang Du's wife. I believe that we're talking past one another. I thought that you were referring to Madame Jiang speaking up about the affair, but you were talking about the Miao girl witnessing the adultery and using it as blackmail against us. If so, blackmail is just as likely with us fucking her as it is with us conning her. I don't know what she's thinking, I don't know if she'll see it, and frankly, I think we can't really accurately speculate as to what she'd think.
I know who you were talking about, and I never mentioned her at all. :) I spoke only of Qilin. What would she blackmail us with if we just con Du's wife? Why is conning her worse than whoring out/comitting adultery? I don't get it.

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That being said, out of all our options, sleeping with her, then taking the invitation is the least likely to have the event traced back to us. She might resent her husband, but Lambchop19 is wrong in suggesting that this woman would admit to fucking some kid out of spite. I'm not sure what the laws against adultery are in this setting, but I doubt it's pretty. She's not going to rat, because she'll die if she rats.
Lambchop19 is right in that she tries to make a point to her husband - "if you are cheating on me, I can do so, too - now how does that feel like?" As treave said, it is unlikely that the husband would want to prosecute her, because his own indecent behavior would come up, too. But there is no keeping this skeleton in the closet, one way or the other.

Esquilax said:
Would love to see if you bros are down to discuss it or flop?
I've already stated that I am ready to flop to anything but A1, B1 and B2.
 

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Fuck ups are hilarious to watch, but I would not vote on this sole reason.

As far as I'm concerned, we screwed up in coming here instead of taking the secret mission [or, if we go further back, from not going to Wudang]. None of these options are really going to work out well for us and the only thing that will almost certainly leave us unscathed is C2, which would be a bit of a waste of an update. Out of all the options, B is the most appealing because we either break new grounds in actually managing to bone a person after a collective of hundreds of pages of effort in both this LP and the Epic or we fail hilariously and get assaulted by an angered scholar who attempts to continually screw us over from there. I may as well have some fun while I'm in for the ride, my initial sets of goals aren't really looking to be too achievable and this doesn't appear to have all that much to do with them, anyway.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, we screwed up in coming here instead of taking the secret mission [or, if we go further back, from not going to Wudang].
Then choose C2, go away and do the governor's mission instead. Why make this worse than it arleady is?

Kipeci said:
B is the most appealing because we either break new grounds in actually managing to bone a person after a collective of hundreds of pages of effort
So that's what it comes to. The 'dex lamented animu-ness of the previous LP, but it turns out people actually like playing sexually frustrated characters.
 

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Yes, Nevill. I could be persuaded. Not that it's likely to matter, given the votes. Editing my vote. Any A over B.

I must say, I had hoped that the lady of the house would be busy with some OTHER guy, when I voted to visit her. Alas, it was not to be.
 
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Esquilax

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Flopped my original post to C1. While breaking into somebody's house and taking their shit is hardly a nice thing to do, something really doesn't sit right with fucking this dude's wife, then taking her stuff after or conning her. If we pull off an infiltration like this after casing the joint right now, we could avoid the potential consequences of adultery and the wife's awareness of conning her should we be successful. It's high-risk, but high-reward, and I am hoping that our Yinglang Step will be enough to make up for our atrocious sneak skill. Also, if our mysterious Miao girl is watching, this is no doubt an impressive feat should we be successful.

Lastly, the thing that appeals to me is that this is consistent with our unorthodoxy. This is important to keep in mind:

The more close shaves you get into and survive, the faster you learn. That's how your unorthodox life is going to be.

I'm not saying that we ought to be suicidal madmen by trying to grind Kung-fu masters for XP, but I think that sneaking through this place is definitely doable. We have a lay of the land, and we are already inside. treave, before we pretend to leave, could Jing somehow coax the location of the invitation from Madame Jiang?

Sadly, I'm afraid there's not much time so I'm hoping that you bros will flop. Grimgravy Azira Storyfag Nevill Kipeci Tigranes ScubaV

treave, seriously, B2 is awful, could you give us some extra time to get the vote in? I don't need a crystal ball here to see that it really sucks. Jing is intelligent and has a way with the ladies, but he would have to have a dick that cums money to get a woman to fall in love with him that quickly.
 
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How the hell is B2 winning?! "Hey lady, I know you want some of this, why don't you trade the invite for some cock?" Seriously? There are 6 options and you guys pick the least persuasive and least sneaky and most risky option? Is old wrinkled pussy that much of a draw?
 

Baltika9

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'Sides, Jing is already a thief thanks to Yao's education. This isn't anything we haven't done before and he has some experience. Hardly undoable:
Walking through the hallways, you see that the maidservant at the gate was telling the truth – most of the maids you see inside the house are relatively young. This is another thing you learnt about getting in and out of compounds; the inhabitants are just as important as planning escape routes and identifying the location of the money box. In this case, it seems like it’ll pay off in another way. You are no expert yet, but experience has been a valuable teacher. Nothing instills the memory of a lesson well-learned like messing up and trying to escape a dozen angry cleaver-waving men.
 

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treave, before we pretend to leave, could Jing somehow coax the location of the invitation from Madame Jiang?.

“If I may ask, though, I am personally interested in the invite. I’ve heard that the design changes every year, and that it cannot be forged by mortal hands. I wonder if it wouldn’t be-“

“It would be too much trouble, boy.” Madam Jiang cuts you off quickly. “I’m not going over to the second floor study to fetch it for you. Now, what is the second matter?”
 

Baltika9

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Forget the laxatives, bro, they don't level any skills. This heist will give us a neat bonus. C'mon, it will be fun and nobody said we can't get sleeping darts/needles.
 

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