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Jester

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Just because we're unorthodox, though, doesn't mean we have to be selfish, backstabbing, amoral, use poison and burn down villages for the lulz, a douche in other words, which I don't want to see Jing become.

You mean, like poisoning a dinner banquet in Sumeria and slipping love potions to a king's daughters, that sort of douchebaggery? :troll:
Yep was there, did that and was fun.
There are a lot of voters here, so it's understandable that there are going to be people that don't like the direction that the character is heading in. There are around 20 people pulling Jing in different directions that all think they have the right idea - really, I love hearing other people's ideas for the choices - but we should try to maintain some sort of consistency.

The orthodox/unorthodox choice at the beginning of the chapter was very polarizing and there are lots of pros and cons on each side. Nevertheless, I believe that our excursion in Songfeng was overall a great success: we offed a potential rival, gained prestige and forged the beginnings of the sword technique that will likely be our signature style (something, I should mention, that might not have been possible had we gone orthodox). And we got a little bonus from the Beggars too, so we did good there.

We'll try to make friends and contacts of course, but overall, constantly worrying about whether people will like us will fuck us over hard. Ultimately we didn't care if the Songfeng academy liked us or not, but it turned out that doing the thing we wanted to do as opposed to the popular thing gave us the victory.
Ehem, ehem Snogfeng school aren't our mortal enemies? i know its not -100, but -95 is close enough to that imo.
Having 20 people voting you get 20 different definitions of success. I say Songfeng didn't went way i consider it big success we did get self made skill with is cool but the way we got there gives me bad aftertaste still think we made Jing be, not look like huge ass. And regarding beggars tech was bonus from Treave for miss counting not consequence of going to Songfeng.
Depends, if we make the right/wrong people hate us, that can bite us in the ass too: case in point, the prefect. I already stated why I don't think going down that road is wise, it will simply put us in a position where we'll have to decide whom we piss off, the Proprietress of the Manor or the Prefect and both of them are pretty damn powerful people that can make our life difficult. The Manor because they have people from all walks of life and all corners of the world participating in their brotherhood and thus a large network; and the Prefect because he is a politician of one of the most important cities in the region and thus will have a lot of pull (what do you think will happen when we don't end up our end of the bargain?), causing problems for us wherever we go.

This Miao girl is good, yeah, but not automatically better than us in every department, remember that she did get the drop on us when we were beaten up and exhausted, in a crowd of people. If anything, I think A and D are better options than B because they are less likely to put us in a difficult situation later down the line. That, and taking her invitation just removes her from the competition later on, making thing easier for us.

For sure, it's a balancing act. We shouldn't put ourselves in positions where we piss off people that can make our lives extremely difficult, which is why B seems like it could be a bad idea - we might be placed in a situation where we have to divide our loyalties - but at the same time, a situation like the one we were in, where cheating was pretty much a given and the contestants were mostly nobodies (if they were important, they wouldn't be there), where there was nothing that immoral going on apart from a little harmless hustling, is the sort of situation where we shouldn't be giving a fuck about what people think.

But yeah, I'm totally with you on either picking A or D. I've flopped to D since it's more likely to win and our Yinglang Step might give her some surprises.
Yeah, you know what guys - fuck it. Jing is 15, there's plenty of time. Our options involve a mission that we don't even know about from the prefect, and three other options where we steal, or perhaps even worse if things don't go according to plan. What if somebody sees our face as we try to rob them? I think we're getting a little greedy here.
Cant we check option and say screw this i am out of here if we will not like it? From my perspective its make character unwilling to give up till end.

Ps will catch up later.
 

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Let's just be her boy-toy, it should work and she's probably going to be discreet enough that we won't have to worry about unforeseen consequences.
 

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Cougar time! I just gotta vote B2 here. :lol:

I wonder if Jing will contract some sort of STD here? :M

Flopped. I've previously advocated the use of laxatives as often as possible. To stay true to this, I'm voting

A2

Instead. :hero:
 
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I'm sure Cao'er will sort it out for him. :M

With a knife.
 

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My first thought was STD and getting poisoned by Chi Qilin. But Jing liked older women. B2.
 
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Let's just be her boy-toy, it should work and she's probably going to be discreet enough that we won't have to worry about unforeseen consequences.
With our luck I'd be worried about the unforeseen consequences when crossing a road.

Anyway, unless our boy isn't reading this situation completely wrong (and I doubt he is that inexperienced), I'm also voting B2. If we back out of this we risk offending her, then we would need to steal the invitation outright. This way we may end up parting... amiably and getting what we need. If something doesn't go wrong of course - I wonder if the angry husband will really show up or maybe that girl following us will make our life miserable somehow (possibly by telling what we did to Cao'er everyone).

Edit: Flopped to A2. I don't like it, but B2 is just too risky with the maids and that girl following us.

Edit2: Flip-flopped to C2 > A2.

Edit3: Yeah, Yeah. C2 > A2 > C1.
 
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B2 may well work. I wonder what complications will come up. Maybe she'll become attached and want more. We are stuck in the city until spring, are we not?
A1 could work too. I like the idea of snatching it while the lady of the house is occupied with a chamber pot. Sadly, it will be pretty obvious who took the invite when it turn up missing.

See guys? Laxatives! Always laxatives..

So, C1 > A2 > A1
 
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Yeah, I wonder what will happen if when her husband finds out and we are still stuck in this town. Although from the sound of it he isn't exactly exemplar when it comes to fidelity either.
 

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B2 may well work. I wonder what complications will come up. Maybe she'll become attached and want more. We are stuck in the city until spring, are we not?
A1 could work too. I like the idea of snatching it while the lady of the house is occupied with a chamber pot. Sadly, it will be pretty obvious who took the invite when it turn up missing.

What could go wrong?
Short answer: STD. Which Cao is going to have to fix. Fun times.
Then the implications of being followed. People are going to know what we do here here.
Outright stealing, or using a fake medicine might backfire. We are not only ruining our own reputation here.
Do we really want to piss of the old man?

And we might be downright bad in the "exotic arts", virgin and all that.
 
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Azira

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Good strength and agility, above average charisma, average endurance. Based on those stats, Jing should have above average potential when it comes to sex.

There's a gap between actual experience and potential though. If he's a complete virgin, he might botch it, but it seems he's not.
On average, younger men are more virile than older, more experienced ones. And this old biddy is outright starved of sex. Maybe she's a pervert and her husband just didn't want to cater to her more extreme needs.
The setup seems to suggest though, that he's simply just into young women.
 

Zwist

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And is our plan not to come in contact with a unorthodox sect run by women of the trade? Might as well start building a reputation. Or ruining one, that is.
 

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And we might be downright bad in the "exotic arts", virgin and all that.

Just because he's been frozen out of any sex since the Codex assumed control does not mean that he's been a virgin. Have you noticed the several bits of text such as his reply to Yao that he hadn't been whoring 'recently' and the like, implying that he'd absolutely been doing that before?

Anyway, I guess either A2 or B2. Or A1 or B1. Doesn't really matter to me, but I guess A2 steps on less toes...

A2


B1

I can't wait to see how these private lessons turn out to be a bait and trick.
 
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Jester

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hmm cant decide should i take B1 or 2.
Gives me hope that he will make first step in direction of sect of pimp-fu fighters known for giving good memories to neglected women all across china and often Qinggonging on rooftops running from people who cant see necessity of those sacrifices in order to become harem king. Who knows mby we will get something like that if brothel got killers peacekeepers.

Hmm wonder will she try to tell her husband of stealing if we will go B1 she would risk to tell him why she was occupied so mby she will try to lie to save her skin.

Heh lets set in motion plan preventing china from becoming world power in future by spreading venereal... ehm love.
B2 for now
B1
 
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Tigranes

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With B2, I predict:

1) Since we are probably not too experienced in tumbling we are probably not too good at teaching her, though we might make up for it with youth and her, well, desperation;
2) Chi Qilin (or whatever she's called) will probably know/see what happened, and we will never ever hear the end of it. Hey Xu Jing! Guess you really like snakes! Wrinkled skina ll over!
 

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I think B2 might be a bad idea:

One thing you’ve learned from the chambermaids – youth gives you the license to be be blatant with flattery. They told you that an older man may be expected to lie to gain their favour, but a child’s mouth is honest. You’re not quite sure that’s true in any way, but it’s worked for you so far.
...
“A favour?” Madam Jiang laughs again, her demeanour suddenly relaxing. “Hm, you certainly are tactful about it. Are you going to poison all the harlots he’s brought into the house? He never follows my advice on that part. I suppose rumours have spread so far that even the mountain-dwelling hermit physicians have heard of it. What a disgrace!”

You pause momentarily. Her candour is unexpected; you had only been fishing in the dark from what little you could observe. It appears that she has much resentment against her husband. You might have stumbled across something that could be risky.

This woman feels a bit lonely and neglected by her husband, which is something we're taking advantage of here. One part of it is that she wants to get back at her husband for fucking the chambermaids, but she also wants to feel sexy. Turning this into a business transaction where it becomes sex in return for an invitation will really shatter her fantasy and make her feel used.

On the other hand, sneaking upstairs to pick up the invitation after she's exhausted from a good fuck seems like a smarter play. Yeah, she'll be pissed when she finds out our real intentions, but by then we'll be in Luoying Manor. And once it's gone, what the fuck is she going to do about it; tell her husband? "Hey honey, so this kid came by and fucked me so hard I passed out, I think he took your invite while I was still shaking in bed, delirious from pleasure. Dinner's on the stove." She's going to lie to her husband to cover her own ass too, of course. With A1, she doesn't have to.

However, she could make some noise during the act, so others might hear. There's a chance we might run into one of the chambermaids or servants as we're trying to steal it. Still, I think it's a better bet than B2.

C1

Ehem, ehem Snogfeng school aren't our mortal enemies? i know its not -100, but -95 is close enough to that imo.
Having 20 people voting you get 20 different definitions of success. I say Songfeng didn't went way i consider it big success we did get self made skill with is cool but the way we got there gives me bad aftertaste still think we made Jing be, not look like huge ass. And regarding beggars tech was bonus from Treave for miss counting not consequence of going to Songfeng.

No, they aren't our mortal enemies - if they were, we'd be getting a bounty on our heads. Yes, they hate us, but Master Rong's honour and our fair conduct in the duel mean that they aren't going to come after us. In the end, I think that having the school hate us iwas unavoidable. As for morality, the whole situation was tricky; we had someone who was likely an attempted murderer, and a victim who was completely vulnerable against them. We were in a position to do something about, but it also would involve trying to protect a man from his only child and heir, whom he loves. It was a real moral conundrum - I say that we tried to do the right thing overall, but really, the whole situation was one big clusterfuck.

Good point about the Beggars, though.
 
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Run Away! RUN AWAY!

I immensely regret ever voting for this choise.

Esquilax said:
This woman feels a bit lonely and neglected by her husband, which is something we're taking advantage of here. One part of it is that she wants to get back at her husband for fucking the chambermaids, but she also wants to feel sexy. Turning this into a business transaction where it becomes sex in return for an invitation will really shatter her fantasy and make her feel used.
Sell the dream, not the act. Expanded to A2>C1.

And I am not prostituting myself over a piece of paper. Yikes!
 
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Esquilax

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Sell the dream, not the act. A2.

I get it, but there are some problems with A2. The old scholar would know of our involvement - if we fuck her and take it while she's asleep, it's not like she can tell him, right? But yeah... boning her could cause some serious problems. If we make a deal with her to sell some "love potion" in exchange for the invitation, he's going to ask her where it went when he returns from his trip. She'll proudly tell him about how the potion has made her into an irresistible sex goddess, but the husband obviously won't notice.

That being said, I'm rather fond of Yunzi. Putting our dick in anything that moves won't make a great second impression the next time we meet. :lol:
 

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Esquilax said:
I get it, but there are some problems with A2. The old scholar would know of our involvement - if we fuck her and take it while she's asleep, it's not like she can tell him, right?
And the maids whom he fucks on a regular basis won't suspect a thing and would never tell him, right? It would be difficult to hide the fact that a young man came to deliver a message and stayed overnight.

Not whoring ourselves is also a matter of personal pride. But even if we leave that aside, we've been a salesman for the whole year now. We can make a strong case for the medicine we would be selling, though it would be a fraud at its finest. Still cleaner than the alternative, and the husband would be less pissed.

Honestly, I am strongly considering admitting defeat and leaving without a word. Only the fact that I didn't go to Xuzhou to spend a winter doing absolutely nothing of note keeps driving me forward.

Azira, Grimgravy might you be persuaded to consider combining the use of laxatives (which is a thing, I agree) with bargaining instead of outright stealing?
 

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I'm with Esquilax on this one, make the truth too shameful for her to tell the husband and she should keep quiet. There are some possible problems: while Jing is no virgin, he was out of practice completely for the last year so "passed out" may not be the state she'll be in, our END is a mere 5.
That being said, I'm rather fond of Yunzi. Putting our dick in anything that moves won't make a great second impression the next time we meet. :lol:
She'll be pissed, until she gets in bed with Jing.
However, she could make some noise during the act, so others might hear. There's a chance we might run into one of the chambermaids or servants as we're trying to steal it.
And that's where we get into "porn with a plot" territory. :lol:
 
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Nevill

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Baltika9 said:
She'll be pissed, until she gets in bed with Jing.
Sengoku Jing the VN.

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And that's where we get into "porn with a plot" territory.
That reminds me, treave never delivered on his sex scene promise in a previous LP, did he? Now would be the best time to write one in such a way that would make the most stoic freeze in a mind-shattering horror and claw their eyes out while pleading for a mind bleach.
 
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However, she could make some noise during the act, so others might hear. There's a chance we might run into one of the chambermaids or servants as we're trying to steal it.
And that's where we get into "porn with a plot" territory. :lol:
Yep we will end up banging 3-4 people trying to run away, mby it will increase our end stat. There was something about severe occurrence increasing them. ;D
 

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Baltika9 said:
I'm with Esquilax on this one, make the truth too shameful for her to tell the husband and she should keep quiet.
I've just remembered. Forget the maids. We were being followed by Qilin on our way here. And she's got an invite, and the husband is one of the fellows. When we get there, we'll be under her thumb, she'll blackmail us for kingdom come. And then tell on us anyway, just for lulz.

Folks, be wary of what you put you dicks into on her watch!
 
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