we were having the usual argument about how the codex is a den of lies and misinformation and all that good stuff. eventually, as arguments about the codex usually do, it all turned into an anti-VD shpiel, with the following results:
(I edited out few non-related bits to shorten the post. no misinformation here, just trying to keep from spamming the board quite so much)
[14] <SolInvictus-> I hate how he thinks he can criticize game developers even though he hasnt made any games of his own.
[14] <SolInvictus-> His own RPG is vaporware
[14] <Jennyfer> rex, it is not.
[14] <Jennyfer> that's misinformation right there
[14] <SolInvictus-> he went from saying that 3d graphics are worthless, but when his artists pressured him to make the game 3d he just caved
[14] <Jennyfer> you have no evidence to support that claim
[14] <Percolator_Fish> how long has it been in development?
[14] <Jennyfer> only 2 or so years, as far as i know (ed: looking on the boards i see that i overstated that by about a year, but whatever.)
[14] <Percolator_Fish> ok
[14] <Jennyfer> and for someone who also has to work for a living that ain't bad
[14] <chakl|w00t> do you know what the average time to create a 2d game is now a days?
[14] <chakl|w00t> a year 3 months
[14] <chakl|w00t> for a team of 16 people
[14] <chakl|w00t> working 7 hours a day
[14] <chakl|w00t> 5 days a week
[14] <Jennyfer> ... er, well, this is a 3d game being created by considerably less than 16 people, all of whom have day jobs (i'm assuming)
[14] <chakl|w00t> fuck Krazy K who
[14] <Jennyfer> so what's your point
[14] <chakl|w00t> barely
[14] <chakl|w00t> barely
[14] <chakl|w00t> knows how to code
[14] <chakl|w00t> already has content
[14] <chakl|w00t> and something you can try
[14] <chakl|w00t> and it has been at it for what? 2 months
[14] <Jennyfer> so? he doesn't want to release a beta version
[14] <Jennyfer> that's his prerogative
[14] <chakl|w00t> me and sol have played it
[14] <chakl|w00t> he doesnt want to show it to you
[14] <chakl|w00t> maybe you should ask him to be in "beta"
[14] <chakl|w00t> by the way
[14] <chakl|w00t> his team is a team of.. 2 people?
[14] <SolInvictus-> I think Jennifer is talking about VD's game.
[14] <Jennyfer> yeah
[14] <chakl|w00t> doesnt matter
[14] <SolInvictus-> Theres no alpha or beta for it
[14] <Jennyfer> not Krazy K's, i have no idea what that's about
[14] <chakl|w00t> Nothign adds up
[14] <Jennyfer> i don't even know what you're talking about now :O
[14] <chakl|w00t> VD is vaporware
[14] <chakl|w00t> thats what
[14] <Jennyfer> what?
[14] <chakl|w00t> the math doesnt add up period
[14] <Jennyfer> because Krazy K's game beta sucks, VD's game is vaporware?
[14] <Jennyfer> logic go bye-bye?
[14] <chakl|w00t> i am talking about the time worked on
[14] <chakl|w00t> and what is available for you to touch
[14] <SolInvictus-> VD worked on his game for 2 years with only 10 or so screenshots to show for it heh
[14] <SolInvictus-> No name for his game development company
[14] <chakl|w00t> 10 screenshots that look like they were just photoshop jobs.
[14] <SolInvictus-> or anything
[14] <SolInvictus-> Yeah
[14] <Jennyfer> what?
[14] <chakl|w00t> copy paste
[14] <SolInvictus-> I could have created them in PS
[14] <chakl|w00t> 5 minutes
[14] <Jennyfer> gawd, you guys are just... wow
[14] <SolInvictus-> You remember Trinity, JEn?
[14] <SolInvictus-> The polish game..
[14] <SolInvictus-> That was all photoshopped, heh
[14] <chakl|w00t> remember dawn?
[14] <chakl|w00t> DAWN!
[14] <SolInvictus-> I talked to ausir about it
[14] <SolInvictus-> it looked like it had an engine and all..
[14] <chakl|w00t> sol i showed you dawn right?
[14] <SolInvictus-> but theyre just PS.
[14] <chakl|w00t> the guy was living in his basement
[14] <SolInvictus-> yeah chakl
[14] <chakl|w00t> he secured a fucking publishing deal for his vaporware mmo
[14] <chakl|w00t> LMAO
anyway, the gist of it all is:
[14] <chakl|w00t> if VD has anything available
[14] <chakl|w00t> anything for real
[14] <chakl|w00t> have him put a tech demo out
[14] <chakl|w00t> just to show that he has something
discuss.
(I edited out few non-related bits to shorten the post. no misinformation here, just trying to keep from spamming the board quite so much)
[14] <SolInvictus-> I hate how he thinks he can criticize game developers even though he hasnt made any games of his own.
[14] <SolInvictus-> His own RPG is vaporware
[14] <Jennyfer> rex, it is not.
[14] <Jennyfer> that's misinformation right there
[14] <SolInvictus-> he went from saying that 3d graphics are worthless, but when his artists pressured him to make the game 3d he just caved
[14] <Jennyfer> you have no evidence to support that claim
[14] <Percolator_Fish> how long has it been in development?
[14] <Jennyfer> only 2 or so years, as far as i know (ed: looking on the boards i see that i overstated that by about a year, but whatever.)
[14] <Percolator_Fish> ok
[14] <Jennyfer> and for someone who also has to work for a living that ain't bad
[14] <chakl|w00t> do you know what the average time to create a 2d game is now a days?
[14] <chakl|w00t> a year 3 months
[14] <chakl|w00t> for a team of 16 people
[14] <chakl|w00t> working 7 hours a day
[14] <chakl|w00t> 5 days a week
[14] <Jennyfer> ... er, well, this is a 3d game being created by considerably less than 16 people, all of whom have day jobs (i'm assuming)
[14] <chakl|w00t> fuck Krazy K who
[14] <Jennyfer> so what's your point
[14] <chakl|w00t> barely
[14] <chakl|w00t> barely
[14] <chakl|w00t> knows how to code
[14] <chakl|w00t> already has content
[14] <chakl|w00t> and something you can try
[14] <chakl|w00t> and it has been at it for what? 2 months
[14] <Jennyfer> so? he doesn't want to release a beta version
[14] <Jennyfer> that's his prerogative
[14] <chakl|w00t> me and sol have played it
[14] <chakl|w00t> he doesnt want to show it to you
[14] <chakl|w00t> maybe you should ask him to be in "beta"
[14] <chakl|w00t> by the way
[14] <chakl|w00t> his team is a team of.. 2 people?
[14] <SolInvictus-> I think Jennifer is talking about VD's game.
[14] <Jennyfer> yeah
[14] <chakl|w00t> doesnt matter
[14] <SolInvictus-> Theres no alpha or beta for it
[14] <Jennyfer> not Krazy K's, i have no idea what that's about
[14] <chakl|w00t> Nothign adds up
[14] <Jennyfer> i don't even know what you're talking about now :O
[14] <chakl|w00t> VD is vaporware
[14] <chakl|w00t> thats what
[14] <Jennyfer> what?
[14] <chakl|w00t> the math doesnt add up period
[14] <Jennyfer> because Krazy K's game beta sucks, VD's game is vaporware?
[14] <Jennyfer> logic go bye-bye?
[14] <chakl|w00t> i am talking about the time worked on
[14] <chakl|w00t> and what is available for you to touch
[14] <SolInvictus-> VD worked on his game for 2 years with only 10 or so screenshots to show for it heh
[14] <SolInvictus-> No name for his game development company
[14] <chakl|w00t> 10 screenshots that look like they were just photoshop jobs.
[14] <SolInvictus-> or anything
[14] <SolInvictus-> Yeah
[14] <Jennyfer> what?
[14] <chakl|w00t> copy paste
[14] <SolInvictus-> I could have created them in PS
[14] <chakl|w00t> 5 minutes
[14] <Jennyfer> gawd, you guys are just... wow
[14] <SolInvictus-> You remember Trinity, JEn?
[14] <SolInvictus-> The polish game..
[14] <SolInvictus-> That was all photoshopped, heh
[14] <chakl|w00t> remember dawn?
[14] <chakl|w00t> DAWN!
[14] <SolInvictus-> I talked to ausir about it
[14] <SolInvictus-> it looked like it had an engine and all..
[14] <chakl|w00t> sol i showed you dawn right?
[14] <SolInvictus-> but theyre just PS.
[14] <chakl|w00t> the guy was living in his basement
[14] <SolInvictus-> yeah chakl
[14] <chakl|w00t> he secured a fucking publishing deal for his vaporware mmo
[14] <chakl|w00t> LMAO
anyway, the gist of it all is:
[14] <chakl|w00t> if VD has anything available
[14] <chakl|w00t> anything for real
[14] <chakl|w00t> have him put a tech demo out
[14] <chakl|w00t> just to show that he has something
discuss.
