Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

[Lemming42]

Swamped by high HP melee enemies - especially the xenomorphs, a bullshit addition to the game to start with - with no way to avoid combat, can't even run past them because they block the single hex wide corridor leading to the goal. If you've built a combat-focused character and have, like, Enclave Power Armor with the Plasma Rifle and can deal out consistent critical eye shots then it's not too bad, but if you've built a character who doesn't focus on combat and you don't have any well-equipped party members to handle the whole thing for you, then it's an absolute shitshow. Only real way to get through at that point is to desperately shove any spare points into Throwing and use the entire game's supply of plasma grenades.

 

[Bad Sector]

I see, hmm. I had the Enclave Power Armor (i don't remember which weapons i focused though). I might have hit a bug or did something i don't remember because IIRC the monsters there didn't attack me (i did attack them though because i wanted to gain as much level as i could before the final area).

 

[Hirato]

I'm not even mad at Bethesda for dumbing down the skill system the way they did.
A full fledged one is clearly too much for them to handle, so simplifying it down to perks you buy based on your SPECIAL stats is actually genius.
And since they insist, it certainly meshes a lot better with FPS style gameplay too.

Problem is, they did nothing fun or interesting with it.
They went back to the Fallout 3 design of boring perks, and learned nothing from New Vegas' approach.

It was essentially required because of the dumbfuck design. 7 attributes with 10 perks each means they can only put 70 perks in the game, so they made everything have ranks. It's hard to do the interesting bespoke perk design of New Vegas when you then have to design a second or third or fourth rank to it. That means goodbye to Meltdown, Jury Rigging, Long Haul, Silent Running, Light Step, Paralyzing Palm, etc.

You're right that doing 10 perks doesn't help; an uneven distribution would make far more sense.
But even if you take a ranked approach, there's no need to get rid of them all.

What I think they should've done a lot of was lock basic gameplay things behind these perks, with the perks not only unlocking them, but powering them up to almost cheating levels.
Consider if perception had an opening ranked perk like follows:
Firearm Handling I (Pe 1) - Boost to firearm damage, and allows you to aim with iron-sights and scopes.
Firearm Handling II (Pe 3) - Boost to firearm damage, faster reloading speed, and allows reloading on the run.
Firearm Handling III (Pe 6) - Boost to firearm damage, and allows dual-wielding of pistols.
Firearm Handling IV (Pe 10) - Boost to firearm damage, allows you to trigger a bullet time at will that will drain your AP.

And agility had a lockpick series like this:
Lockpicking I (Ag 1) - Allows you to pick locks, period.
Lockpicking II (Ag 4)- Makes lockpicking easier, and allows you to force locks open (or fail and jam them), or breach them with controlled explosives
Lockpicking III (Ag 7) - Makes lockpicking easier, and allows you to set up proximity booby traps on containers and doors.
Lockpicking IV (Ag 9) - Makes lockpicking easier, and allows you to replace the locks on doors, and lock them - idea being that you can block enemy routes, and/or cheese them.


I came up with these in about 10 minutes, if Bethesda had the gumpton to attempt anything of the sort, the system would be significantly more interesting.

 

[Butter]

It was essentially required because of the dumbfuck design. 7 attributes with 10 perks each means they can only put 70 perks in the game, so they made everything have ranks. It's hard to do the interesting bespoke perk design of New Vegas when you then have to design a second or third or fourth rank to it.

It had more to do with FO4 reinventing how the entire progression system worked. Without dice rolls, skills are just a lot of unused granularity. What's the point of being level 33 or 72 in a skill when every check is 25/50/75/100? Realizing skills had become somewhat extraneous, Bethesda rolled their utility into the perk system. So now skill check 25/50/75/100 is replaced with perk rank 1/2/3/4. Considering you get a perk every level up in FO4 instead of every other level up as with NV, I think it's fine to have these boring perks. Still beats a perk-less level.

I didn't say it was anything to do with wrapping skills into perks. The problem is someone with OCD wanted exactly one perk per point of each SPECIAL, with no exceptions. That means 70 perks, which already isn't a lot, in a game where you get a perk every level and that doesn't have a level cap. It requires multiples ranks on everything, which means that unique effects get scrapped for things that can be more easily scaled.

 

[Stella Brando]

The kids are still into Fallout 4, right?

 

[SharkClub]

It's pretty sad that we've come so far that the 11 year old Xbox shitters who got Fallout 3 for Christmas are now nostalgic over it and think it was some sort of masterpiece.

 

[Late Bloomer]

It's pretty sad that we've come so far that the 11 year old Xbox shitters who got Fallout 3 for Christmas are now nostalgic over it and think it was some sort of masterpiece.

Yeah it's always terrible when people had fun playing games and as the years pass remember their favorite games in a positive light. You don't have games that people consider shit, but you enjoy them regardless?

 

[illuknisaa]

I don't man. If your favorite game is fallout 3 you might be retarded.

 

[BanEvader]

It's pretty sad that we've come so far that the 11 year old Xbox shitters who got Fallout 3 for Christmas are now nostalgic over it and think it was some sort of masterpiece.

In another 20-30 years, the Fallout 3 shitters will be the oldfags, telling all the youngins how good vidya used to be in their day.
Meanwhile our classics will go the way of arcade games. An entry on some wikipedia list that no one alive has ever played.
All those games will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

 

[Zombra]

It's pretty sad that we've come so far that the 11 year old Xbox shitters who got Fallout 3 for Christmas are now nostalgic over it and think it was some sort of masterpiece.

Yeah. We all know that the things that were happening when you were 12 were objectively better than anything that came before or since.

 

[dextermorgan]

So I noticed this was on Game Pass and figured I'd do my due diligence and try a run - Jesus this shit is so boring. It's an achievement of sorts tbh.

 

[Late Bloomer]

So I noticed this was on Game Pass and figured I'd do my due diligence and try a run - Jesus this shit is so boring. It's an achievement of sorts tbh.

How stunning and brave for you to admit something so controversial.

 

[dextermorgan]

So I noticed this was on Game Pass and figured I'd do my due diligence and try a run - Jesus this shit is so boring. It's an achievement of sorts tbh.

How stunning and brave for you to admit something so controversial.

Yes, I'm widely known around these here forums as the guy that shies away from expressing unpopular opinions

 

[Ravielsk]

Found this series of videos. They seem well though-out and make a lot of interesting points.

First video is all the good things, second video is all the bad plus a recap.

Haven't played the game yet, so can't comment.

MATN? Really? I mean why not post Oxhorn while you are at it he at least has the decency to install booby mods to make his rambling slightly more digestible.

 

[Silverfish]

Yeah. We all know that the things that were happening when you were 12 were objectively better than anything that came before or since.

What, Ocarina of Time, Tenchu and Thief? Yeah, possibly.

 

[Stella Brando]

 

[Late Bloomer]

You did join the Brotherhood of Steel on your first Fallout 4 playthrough... right?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I went with Institute.
Because Minutemen are boring and annoying, BoS is overdone and fuck the Railroad.
I also wanted to see why the Institute is considered so evil by the fanbase, and other then them being poorly written, I didn't really see the problem. I've seen worse.

 

[Just Locus]

I went with Institute.
Because Minutemen are boring and annoying, BoS is overdone and fuck the Railroad.
I also wanted to see why the Institute is considered so evil by the fanbase, and other then them being poorly written, I didn't really see the problem. I've seen worse.

The Institute is comically evil, though comically evil characters are usually written for a joke, but the institute actually wants to be taken seriously, so seriously that they view their vile machinations as "the best for humanity", they do these things and aren't even aware of the ramifications behind their actions, with the paranoia and all that, even when asked for the explanation for why they commit these absurdly evil actions, they simply say "you wouldn't understand", i would've been less confused if they just purposefully corrupted my save file at that moment.

 

[Valdetiosi]

You did join the Brotherhood of Steel on your first Fallout 4 playthrough... right?

Railroad because it was the most tolerable faction in presentation.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I went with Institute.
Because Minutemen are boring and annoying, BoS is overdone and fuck the Railroad.
I also wanted to see why the Institute is considered so evil by the fanbase, and other then them being poorly written, I didn't really see the problem. I've seen worse.

The Institute is comically evil, though comically evil characters are usually written for a joke, but the institute actually wants to be taken seriously, so seriously that they view their vile machinations as "the best for humanity", they do these things and aren't even aware of the ramifications behind their actions, with the paranoia and all that, even when asked for the explanation for why they commit these absurdly evil actions, they simply say "you wouldn't understand", i would've been less confused if they just purposefully corrupted my save file at that moment.

Yeah, as I said, they're really poorly written. Which to me doesn't make them evil with all of the shit they get up to; it just makes them stupid.
Caesar's Legion, the Children of the Cathedral and the Enclave came across as more evil because they were comparatively better written and you knew what they wanted and their actions and motivations made sense (although the Enclave were also sort of cartoon stupid evil).

 

[Silverfish]

You did join the Brotherhood of Steel on your first Fallout 4 playthrough... right?

Railroad because it was the most tolerable faction in presentation.

It says a lot about Fallout 4's presentation in general that the faction who uses their own name as the password to their secret headquarters, who go out of their way to explain that the arrows drawn on their markers indicate directions and who ask you point blank if you'd die to protect glorified toasters is still one of the more tolerable, digestible groups in the game.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I actually found them quite insufferable. They're as arrogant and holier than thou as the Institute, except without the means to back up their claims and the game really wants you to like them.
Victoria Watts was a bitch in FO3 and the Railroad in 4 are no different.

 

[Silverfish]

Still sucks that Bethesda made Victoria Watts immune to the mesmetron.

 

[Valdetiosi]

I actually found them quite insufferable. They're as arrogant and holier than thou as the Institute, except without the means to back up their claims and the game really wants you to like them.

Because unlike Institute they are not mysterious fuck alls who don't tell why they are doing they shit they are doing and for everybody but old cancer patient liking hating me.
Railroad gives the best companion, ability to add armor mods for clothing and has better aesthetics at their base than Institute.
Besides it's clear what they do and unlike Minutemen isn't as generic.