Fallout Fallout 4 Thread

[gruntar]

Since we're talking about Fallout 4 I would like to share a random video I found that shows that modern Bethesda writing is even dumber than radiant conversation between NPCs in Oblivion. Watch first minute and a half, it's worth it:

 

[Bad Sector]

Since we're talking about Fallout 4 I would like to share a random video I found that shows that modern Bethesda writing is even dumber than radiant conversation between NPCs in Oblivion. Watch first minute and a half, it's worth it:

Assuming you mean the whole "why do you want to kill Marowsky" bit, this is most likely because Malcom may not know you killed his son so there is a dialog option for you to ask him about it. It isn't so much a writing issue as a scripting mistake for not hiding that option for that particular character who already knows you know why he wants to kill Marowsky.

 

[Robotigan]

There's something about the post-apocalyptic genre that attracts fans that are extremely opinionated about the most minor details. Like no one except Kingdom Come devs cares that much about the practicality of weapon models in medieval fantasy. But in the post-apocalypse? People freak out over calling the wrong gun an assault rifle like a bunch of NRA lobbyists. I suspect it has something to do with all the preppers and libercontrarians.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

>No one cares about practicality of weapon models
>Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...
You haven't played many FPS games, have you? Having good looking guns is something of a requirement when it comes to gun play.

 

[Hirato]

That conversation reminds me of your conversation with Harold back in The Hub.

> "I never saw Richard Grey again"
> "Did you ever see Richard Grey again?"
> "No you idiot, I just said I never saw him again!"

 

[Robotigan]

>No one cares about practicality of weapon models
>Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...
You didn't play many FPS games, did you? Having good looking guns is something of a requirement when it comes to gun play.

You're right, wasn't a huge fan of all the WW2 shooters and then modern shooters. My favorite FPS is probably TF2. But back to my original point. I said "[no one cares about] the practicality of weapon models in medieval fantasy" and I stand by that. In fact, that's far too specific. I don't remember a huge ruckus over the period accuracy of weapons in RDR2 or even Battlefield One. It is pretty much only WW2 onward that people give a shit about those kinds of details.

 

[Zombra]

Expecting Fallout 4 to have realistic gun porn would be like ... expecting Fallout 1 to have realistic gun porn.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Expecting Fallout 4 to have realistic gun porn would be like ... expecting Fallout 1 to have realistic gun porn.

Eh, Fallout 1 still had better looking guns than Fallout 4.
I don't remember anything looking as horrible as Fallout 4's Assault Rifle, which is weird because Fallout 3's Assault Rifle looked a lot better. You'd think Beth would just reuse that model (albeit updated, obviously) instead of introducing yet another "assault rifle" to the East Coast, but I guess not.
Besides, that's not a very good comparison; Fallout 1 is not a FPS, and as such "gun porn" is a non-factor.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

>No one cares about practicality of weapon models
>Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...
You didn't play many FPS games, did you? Having good looking guns is something of a requirement when it comes to gun play.

You're right, wasn't a huge fan of all the WW2 shooters and then modern shooters. My favorite FPS is probably TF2. But back to my original point. I said "[no one cares about] the practicality of weapon models in medieval fantasy" and I stand by that. In fact, that's far too specific. I don't remember a huge ruckus over the period accuracy of weapons in RDR2 or even Battlefield One. It is pretty much only WW2 onward that people give a shit about those kinds of details.

Isn't that because the weapons for the most part were period accurate in terms of appearance? I'm pretty sure you don't get an M16 in Red Dead or Battlefield One. I do recall some criticism leveled at Battlefield One for failing to present how those weapons operated properly.
But this isn't about period accuracy though? This is about practicality isn't it? As in "is this weapon well animated and modeled with an appropriate level of detail, and looks like it could actually work"

Also, you do know that Kingdom Come is not a medieval fantasy game, but a historical medieval game? Of course the Kingdom Come devs are going to care about practicality/historical accuracy (whatever you mean by this), that's the sort of game they're making.

 

[Bad Sector]

Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...

The guns in Doom were generic plastic toys.

In fact i do not think id ever used any specific descriptions for their weapons aside from generic stuff like "pistol, shotgun, machine gun, etc" and they all looked like whatever the artists felt like (though i haven't played Eternal).

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...

The guns in Doom were generic plastic toys.

In fact i do not think id ever used any specific descriptions for their weapons aside from generic stuff like "pistol, shotgun, machine gun, etc" and they all looked like whatever the artists felt like (though i haven't played Eternal).

Do you mean the original doom, or the reboot? Because the guns in the reboot did have some work put into their firing animations, sound assets and they looked functionally and aesthetically decent. They were generic, but that doesn't make them "impractical". They didn't need to be reloaded, but saying that a gun that does not have to be reloaded is impractical sounds like a really odd critique, tbh .
I don't think there's any gun in Doom 2016 that feels like shit to use. Maybe the little pew pew pistol you get at the beginning, but even then the charge shot is nice.

The original Doom was made in 1993 so I'm not sure applying today's expectations to it is fair.

 

[JarlFrank]

>No one cares about practicality of weapon models
>Meanwhile, in every decent FPS ever...
You didn't play many FPS games, did you? Having good looking guns is something of a requirement when it comes to gun play.

You're right, wasn't a huge fan of all the WW2 shooters and then modern shooters. My favorite FPS is probably TF2. But back to my original point. I said "[no one cares about] the practicality of weapon models in medieval fantasy" and I stand by that. In fact, that's far too specific. I don't remember a huge ruckus over the period accuracy of weapons in RDR2 or even Battlefield One. It is pretty much only WW2 onward that people give a shit about those kinds of details.

If I cared more about Pillars of Eternity (the game isn't good enough to invest any energy into, though) I would keep sperging out about how their "matchlock musket" models don't really look like matchlocks, and the reload animation isn't detailed enough either.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Fallout 4 weapon/armor customizing mechanics are fun and nobody can make me think otherwise

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

Fallouts from Beth are fun anyway and i hope we will see another one after TESVI release. Or may them rest in peace when we will be playing Starfield 2 .

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Fallout 4 weapon/armor customizing mechanics are fun and nobody can make me think otherwise

Eh, they're ok at first, but after a while they get a bit boring as a lot of the mods are just better versions of themselves.
Those probably should have gotten a lot more focus.

I liked being able to rechamber weapons for different ammo types, I thought that was neat. Seems a little arbitrary at times though. Like, why can't I chamber an automatic combat rifle in .38?

Also, where's the ammo crafting mechanic? NV had that, and it was neat.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

I'm playing Fallout 4 for the time and... The Gameplay is fun. Exploration is neat.. And the QoL improvement certainly make this game at least fun to play. But installed a bunch mods and one just to ignore the whole Family subplot, so i literaly ignore all the story. So far playing a Sniper build and it's fun.

 

[Yosharian]

I'm playing Fallout 4 for the time and... The Gameplay is fun. Exploration is neat.. And the QoL improvement certainly make this game at least fun to play. But installed a bunch mods and one just to ignore the whole Family subplot, so i literaly ignore all the story. So far playing a Sniper build and fun.

Yeah it's really important to get rid of the retarded main character VA and the SHAAAAAAUUUNN dialogue so you can actually role-play a different character. The only issues that I think haven't been resolved yet in that respect is telling Preston Garvey to get fucked, afaik you are still locked into helping him and talking to him if you finish Concord. I'll have to mention it to Aug.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

You can beat the game without ever speaking to Preston, or even just agreeing to become general. You miss out on a lot of gear and it certainly feels like you're not on the intended path because you basically skip most of the settlement management parts, but the game does allow you to ignore Preston.

 

[markec]

Exploring and shooting stuff can be fun in Fallout 4, the issue is that pretty much every quest and every piece of dialog is just awful. So to maximize your fun its best to avoid contact with all NPCs, problem is that just exploring and shooting stuff gets old real fast without a proper motivation.

 

[Yosharian]

You can beat the game without ever speaking to Preston, or even just agreeing to become general. You miss out on a lot of gear and it certainly feels like you're not on the intended path because you basically skip most of the settlement management parts, but the game does allow you to ignore Preston.

yes but then Concord is this weird twilight zone where NPCs just sit there forever waiting for you to turn up and save them, it irks me.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

You can beat the game without ever speaking to Preston, or even just agreeing to become general. You miss out on a lot of gear and it certainly feels like you're not on the intended path because you basically skip most of the settlement management parts, but the game does allow you to ignore Preston.

yes but then Concord is this weird twilight zone where NPCs just sit there forever waiting for you to turn up and save them, it irks me.

Yeah that's another one of the downsides. At least you don't have to be Preston's gopher.
I mean, motherfucker, I'm the general. He should be out there getting shot, not me.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Exploring and shooting stuff can be fun in Fallout 4, the issue is that pretty much every quest and every piece of dialog is just awful. So to maximize your fun its best to avoid contact with all NPCs, problem is that just exploring and shooting stuff gets old real fast without a proper motivation.

People who pretend every aspect of the game is awful feel like edgelords to me. There's the bones there for someone to make a decent action RPG, beth just absolutely faceplanted at it. It's hard to fix a game with a terrible story/world via mods.
FNV directly ported to FO4's engine would be neat.

I'd kill for an enderal-like total conversion in FO4.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I think there was an attempt to port NV over to FO4. I think the project died though.
If so, then that's a real shame.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

decent action RPG

True. The perks aren't the worst too, sadly they could have be much better without being level gated.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

decent action RPG

True. The perks aren't the worst too, sadly they could have be much better without being level gated.

I went through the perk list recently and there's actually a few interesting/decent ideas there. e.g., Idiot Savant one is rather cool, something I'd like to see in more traditional cRPGs.

You're not stupid! Just... different. Randomly receive 3x XP from any action, and the lower your Intelligence, the greater the chance.

Low INT + high LUK perk