EA's new RPG: Project Grey Project

[Azarkon]

I never claimed that they will make a great game that "we" will enjoy. But then, who are "we?"

What EA plans to do with its Asian developers is anyone's guess. If I were EA, though, I'd put all the Asian companies to work on the graphics and programming and, if I were aiming for a Western audience, put the US/European developers on the gameplay and writing. Suffice to say, the Asian devs would also handle localization in Asia and making change as needed to make the game culturally fitting.

 

[FaranBrygo]

Where the fuck did all of you stupid ass race-baters come from?

Even the fucking West hasn't been able to produce a decent RPG for at least five or six years!!

Japan has never been able to produce a good RPG.

Stop playing the fucking race card too.

 

[bryce777]

Where the fuck did all of you stupid ass race-baters come from?

Hasn't anyone noticed that 90% of the games you waste your precious waking hours dissing on this forum come from American or European developers? So then you see a handful of asians in a random photo and take the opportunity to bitch about how ASIANS make shitty games, and ASIANS are uncreative, and ASIANS are stealing precious game industry jobs.

Japan may not have produced a lot of good RPGS, but they have definitely innovated in other fields, and whose to say that they might not produce a gem of a RPG one of these days? Even the fucking West hasn't been able to produce a decent RPG for at least five or six years!! Sure, a lot of crap comes out of Japan, but as the astute codexer is quick to note, 99% of EVERYTHING is shit anyway, and that is regardless of where it comes from.

The fact that you want to pick on a few Asian faces in a random photograph shows that all of you Asian haters have the emotional maturity of Prince Harry, and are so desparate to be edgy that you are stooping to racist comments for their shock value.

I thought things had reached their low when dumbasses started trading shock porn links in a previous thread, but I guess the dumbasses on this thread have outdone that. Hats off!

And to you pathetic anti-globalization fucks: WAH WAH WAH! You're worried about outsourcing? Fucking get used to it. You dumbfucks can whine about this until your face turns blue, but I have yet to see anyone come up with a reasonable solution to this "problem" that doesn't involve some kind of worthless psuedo-socialist bullshit that would do nothing but make developed Western countries even less competitive than we already are. You fucks are one of the many groups that continues to maintain the status quo in the third world. If EA's making sucky video games is a result of outsourcing, that's the fault of bad (or maybe just ruthlessly market-oriented) decisions on the part of EA, not on the "low quality" of foreign labor.

(P.S. - I am willing to bet my left testicle that a Chinese person working with EA in China gets paid a salary many times higher than what he would get from a Chinese firm, and is treated better to boot. If their working conditions aren't as good as American workers, that's because China is a huge chaotic mess right now, and things are bad for everyone, not because some guy from EA is standing behind them with a barbed wire whip!!)

You seem to have channeled the spirit of everything wrong with the world today.

 

[FaranBrygo]

Producing today’s RPGs in Asia would be a terrible blow to the genera. The Asian writers, designers, and artists would look to that region’s examples of successful rpgs for inspiration and create a semi-rpg complete with melon eyed characters and a linear lame plot. The perversion of the RPG genera would move once step forward.


Edit: Where are there sales figures for computer and video games broken done by country? I cannot seem to find them.

 

[Old Scratch]

I don't have the time or inclination to respond to every one of your points, so here's a bullet point list:

I'll show you the same consideration then only without the carefully selected bullet list:

1. Go fuck yourself.

Where the fuck did all of you stupid ass race-baters come from?

And to you pathetic anti-globalization fucks: WAH WAH WAH! You're worried about outsourcing? Fucking get used to it. You dumbfucks can whine about this until your face turns blue, but I have yet to see anyone come up with a reasonable solution to this "problem" that doesn't involve some kind of worthless psuedo-socialist bullshit that would do nothing but make developed Western countries even less competitive than we already are. You fucks are one of the many groups that continues to maintain the status quo in the third world. If EA's making sucky video games is a result of outsourcing, that's the fault of bad (or maybe just ruthlessly market-oriented) decisions on the part of EA, not on the "low quality" of foreign labor.

(P.S. - I am willing to bet my left testicle that a Chinese person working with EA in China gets paid a salary many times higher than what he would get from a Chinese firm, and is treated better to boot. If their working conditions aren't as good as American workers, that's because China is a huge chaotic mess right now, and things are bad for everyone, not because some guy from EA is standing behind them with a barbed wire whip!!)

First, I didn't say anything about the quality of the labor in China. I did mention the lower wages there and the lower standard of work conditions, which EA is all too happy to exploit. I'm sure you're deeply concerned with the quality of life there though considering that big blob of insincere, nonsensical, hyperbole you just shat out.

The game was mentioned, I gave my very brief and direct thoughts on it and was prepared to leave it at that. I don't give a fuck how great or "smart" you think outsourcing is, I think it has a negative impact overall and I'm not going to support EA as a result of it. If you don't like my stance, that's tough shit sweet cheeks.

Here's my reasonable solution: Don't buy fucking games from rich companies that outsource their development jobs...duh? Go cry about it and guzzle down some corporate cum you complacent pussy.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

I tried playing the demo that "prince of qin" game and it was complete diablo-clone trash.

The demo is a lump of shit. SirTech released an old, OLD alpha tech demo that the developers made to show publishers the engine. The real game is drastically different from the demo. In my opinion, it was definitely one of the best CRPGs released that year.

Fuck, any game where a passing beggar can imbue you with some Chinese philosophical wisdom in a small town - which is later used to beat a wizard at chess, thus completing a small side quest without violence, gets props from me in terms of CRPG goodness. The whole game is like that.

Sure, there's some fighting and killing and shit, but quite a lot of the quests and side quests involve learning and handling Chinese philosophy, lore, and other tidbits. It's pretty slick.

 

[Azarkon]

Producing today’s RPGs in Asia would be a terrible blow to the genera. The Asian writers, designers, and artists would look to that region’s examples of successful rpgs for inspiration and create a semi-rpg complete with melon eyed characters and a linear lame plot. The perversion of the RPG genera would move once step forward.

Certainly, but since when was EA a champion of the old-school, non-linear RPG? Even if they were hiring Western developers, they'd still probably insist on a Slamdunk approach.

It's not that Asian developers are incapable of producing a "true RPG"... It's that publishers don't think that they're profitable, and that's the general truth wherever you go.

 

[Azarkon]

I'll show you the same consideration then only without the carefully selected bullet list:

1. Go fuck yourself.

Then you're not showing the same consideration as I showed you. I allotted to your post as much time as I possibly could (and it was more than I allotted to anyone else's post in this thread), but there was no way I'll get dragged into a four-page essay retort again, given the general futility of such arguments.

But I'll be happy to ignore you for the forseeable future, if that's what you want. I'd ask you to then refrain from replying to me in hopes of getting a response.

 

[MisterStone]

First, I didn't say anything about the quality of the labor in China. I did mention the lower wages there and the lower standard of work conditions, which EA is all too happy to exploit. I'm sure you're deeply concerned with the quality of life there though considering that big blob of insincere, nonsensical, hyperbole you just shat out.

The game was mentioned, I gave my very brief and direct thoughts on it and was prepared to leave it at that. I don't give a fuck how great or "smart" you think outsourcing is, I think it has a negative impact overall and I'm not going to support EA as a result of it. If you don't like my stance, that's tough shit sweet cheeks.

1) I lived in China for several years, and I know enough about the country to know that the problems there are not caused by large foreign corporations moving in and investing money in the local economy and providing jobs to a small number of deserving people. Exactly how does EA harm anyone in China by hiring people there? IF those people found a job somewhere else, they'd be working for a fraction of their current wages in what would almost certainly be poorer working conditions. I guess you were going to suggest that EA would be doing those people a favor by NOT giving them a job, and NOT injecting money and expertise into their economy. No, wait, you're right.. companies should just ignore China until things magically get better overnight, then they can go in with a clear conscience! That's much more important than taking an active role in its development now!

2) This isn't a matter of me liking or not liking your stance. The point is: being pissed off about outsourcing is like being pissed off about water running downhill. I don't see your stance as threatening to an ideal that I hold dear, I just think it's stupid and ultimately futile. Go ahead, boycott EA games that use Chinese labor.. then try to extend that boycott to every single item that makes an appearance in your daily life. You'll end up butt naked in an empty house, you won't accomplish anything, and you won't be making life better for anyone else.

 

[OverrideB1]

I'm not going to get into the racial bullshit this thread seems to have spawned -- I could care less whether it's Asians, Europeans, or fucking Eskimos that produce the game for EA. All I'm interested in is whether or not it's a good RPG -- fuck all else matters.

As to the outsourcing, it's an unpleasant fact of life that large companies are going to outsource their work to where they can pay pittance wages (in comparison to European or American wages) and there are no unions, fewer health and safety regulations, and where the indigenous population (traditionally) works much longer hours. Of course, said companies will not be reducing their retail prices to reflect the lower production/manufacturing costs -- because they're in the business of making money.

Sucks for those whose jobs get outsourced though -- just ask those people at Pugeot here in the UK whose jobs have just vanished to one of the Slavic countries where wages are lower, etc...

 

[sheek]

Edit: Aside from Blizzard, name me some Western companies that you *believe* has a large following in East Asia.

Mount&Blade apparently has a large following in China.

I think there are two other factors you Asia-philes are missing. They are:

1/ Language difficulties. Chinese gamers may prefer Western games but especially in the case of RPGs there is the unicode or whatever barrier, different characters that make translation difficult.

2/ Cost difference. Western games made in the West are going to be more expensive than 3rd world Asian games. Maybe Chinese prefer Western games but the majority can't afford them. Added to that piracy of games made in other countries may be much easier.

The random middle sized US game company is not going to be able to do anything about piracy of its games. A native or Korean/Japanese company, present in the country, with less scrupulous methods/standards and more local knowledge would be able to crack down harder.

Conclusions: the market size/units selling of Western games in a country like China/Thailand etc does not give you an indication of the popularity of those games compared to 'Asian'/Japanese games.

Personally I think there is a huge difference between Japanese culture and the cultures of other countries in the region.

 

[sheek]

Where the fuck did all of you stupid ass race-baters come from?
Japan may not have produced a lot of good RPGS, but they have definitely innovated in other fields, and whose to say that they might not produce a gem of a RPG one of these days? Even the fucking West hasn't been able to produce a decent RPG for at least five or six years!! Sure, a lot of crap comes out of Japan, but as the astute codexer is quick to note, 99% of EVERYTHING is shit anyway, and that is regardless of where it comes from.

Small/indie to middle sized North American and European companies produce most of the RPGs that are good.

The secret to making good RPGs is that the objective is not to make the most money for some stupid shareholders who'll go reinvest it in financial scams. You need to have a small group that is made of people who know RPGs, know how to make good gameplay and are not subjected to idiotic marketting gimmicks, deadlines and other bullshit but are allowed to develop their creative ideas and do their job right.

The reason the number of good RPGs has gone down is that the 'industry' has been completely taken over by a group of large multinational corporations who will follow any stupid idea (ie outsourcing jobs) they think will guarantee the quickest short term profit.

 

[Old Scratch]

First, I didn't say anything about the quality of the labor in China. I did mention the lower wages there and the lower standard of work conditions, which EA is all too happy to exploit. I'm sure you're deeply concerned with the quality of life there though considering that big blob of insincere, nonsensical, hyperbole you just shat out.

The game was mentioned, I gave my very brief and direct thoughts on it and was prepared to leave it at that. I don't give a fuck how great or "smart" you think outsourcing is, I think it has a negative impact overall and I'm not going to support EA as a result of it. If you don't like my stance, that's tough shit sweet cheeks.

1) No, wait, you're right.. companies should just ignore China until things magically get better overnight, then they can go in with a clear conscience! That's much more important than taking an active role in its development now!

I doubt you're gullible enough to believe EA has any thoughts about helping the poor Chinese workers get established. That's a piss poor argument. If helping poor, innocent, downtrodden China get established comes at the cost of negatively impacting the rest of the world, and primarily the country that houses the company in question, then it's a shitty practice anyway you spin it.

2) This isn't a matter of me liking or not liking your stance. The point is: being pissed off about outsourcing is like being pissed off about water running downhill. I don't see your stance as threatening to an ideal that I hold dear, I just think it's stupid and ultimately futile. Go ahead, boycott EA games that use Chinese labor.. then try to extend that boycott to every single item that makes an appearance in your daily life. You'll end up butt naked in an empty house, you won't accomplish anything, and you won't be making life better for anyone else.

If you don't think consumers and the people of a country have any power in keeping corporations in check, then you are an ignorant, gullible, motherfucker with no knowledge of history. Hopefully you don't reside in my country. You wouldn't even have the luxury of sitting on your ass reading this message on a computer if it weren't for people that have made some noise and refused to buy a companies products at times in order to keep things better for consumers and workers.

Not everything needs to be taken to extremes smart guy. Boycotting one thing doesn't mean you have to apply it to everything else. I still make an effort to buy from companies that employ American workers, when buying everyday goods. Video games are no exception. I'm not such a lazy, greedy bastard that I can't refuse to buy a simple entertainment item like a video game when I don't like who's making it and the practices they employ.

That's fine though, you keep being a weak-minded waste of life and relying on other people to keep things fair for you, don't go overboard and admonish anyone who is at least willing to make some small effort though.

That'll be it for me and this thread. You could attempt to spin, insist, and rant for several pages about this and it wouldn't make me see any merit to your beliefs, as I don't have the slightest bit of respect for them and that rarely makes for an interesting discussion.

 

[Human Shield]

I doubt you're gullible enough to believe EA has any thoughts about helping the poorChinese workers get established. That's a piss poor argument. If helping poor, innocent, downtrodden China get established comes at the cost of negatively impacting the rest of the world, and primarily the country that houses the company in question, then it's a shitty practice anyway you spin it.

You realize that trade is win-win, right? And that both parties benefit.

If you don't think consumers and the people of a country have any power in keeping corporations in check, then you are an ignorant, gullible, motherfucker with no knowledge of history. Hopefully you don't reside in my country. You wouldn't even have the luxury of sitting on your ass reading this message on a computer if it weren't for people that have made some noise and refused to buy a companies products at times in order to keep things better for consumers and workers.

And when have these successful boycotts happened?

That's fine though, you keep being a weak-minded waste of life and relying on other people to keep things fair for you, don't go overboard and admonish anyone who is at least willing to make some small effort though.

Keep what fair?

 

[Old Scratch]

You realize that trade is win-win, right? And that both parties benefit.

Not in this situation.

And when have these successful boycotts happened?

I started to answer this, but I have no time for more ignorance. Fucking do a Google search if you're that unaware of the world around you.

Keep what fair?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuur? Think...for...five seconds and something might come to you. Or refrain from asking stupid questions.

 

[Human Shield]

Not in this situation.

Why not?

I started to answer this, but I have no time for more ignorance. Fucking do a Google search if you're that unaware of the world around you.

Maybe you can narrow it down.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuur? Think...for...five seconds and something might come to you. Or refrain from asking stupid questions.

You mean your flawed view of fairness in a free market?

 

[Old Scratch]

Why not?

Because. Try reading the thread rather than the last couple posts.

Maybe you can narrow it down.

You should do your own research if you're going to question the statements of others. Don't be lazy.

You mean your flawed view of fairness in a free market?

No I mean your flawed view of fairness in the free market.

 

[obediah]

Sorry if someone cracked this one earlier, but 'Project Grey' says it all. Why make it black or white, when you can do a little of both and sell twice as many copies? And it's spelled grey for the same reason Jean Luc was in Oblivion.

 

[Human Shield]

Because. Try reading the thread rather than the last couple posts.

And in where in comparing market size and stating "poor conditions", did trade benefits disappear?

I am being completely rational in realizing that having all or even a large number of game development jobs shipped to China and other countries with a large economic disparity would be a very bad thing. Especially when I plan to enter the computer science field. I'm not just applying that to the U.S. either, but all countries that have a big hand in the development of video games. If US developmet studios start doing this frequently, it sets a bad trend for the rest of nations where the industry has a large presence, even if they don't conform to the same unethical practices, it makes the competition for them unfair.

When is competition unfair? What is unethical? The jobs are better then their alternatives.

You should do your own research if you're going to question the statements of others. Don't be lazy.

"You wouldn't even have the luxury of sitting on your ass reading this message on a computer if it weren't for people that have made some noise and refused to buy a companies products at times in order to keep things better for consumers and workers."

I'm not aware of these heroes that made the world better by not buying something. Your post wasn't very specific.

No I mean your flawed view of fairness in the free market.

And your computer science skills that you want to protect is an unbaised view of "fair"?

 

[MisterStone]

I doubt you're gullible enough to believe EA has any thoughts about helping the poor Chinese workers get established. That's a piss poor argument. If helping poor, innocent, downtrodden China get established comes at the cost of negatively impacting the rest of the world, and primarily the country that houses the company in question, then it's a shitty practice anyway you spin it.

Laughing at you has just about made me cough up my stomach. China and other third world countries such as India etc. ARE the rest of the world, moron. Who exactly DO you want to help out? Are you able to distinguish between national governments and populations numbering in the hundreds of millions? And your dumb ass is over there trying to throw a guilt trip at me for being selfish.

Please do post me some more of these, this is the funniest shit I've come across on the internet in months.

 

[Old Scratch]

I doubt you're gullible enough to believe EA has any thoughts about helping the poor Chinese workers get established. That's a piss poor argument. If helping poor, innocent, downtrodden China get established comes at the cost of negatively impacting the rest of the world, and primarily the country that houses the company in question, then it's a shitty practice anyway you spin it.

Laughing at you has just about made me cough up my stomach. China and other third world countries such as India etc. ARE the rest of the world, moron. Who exactly DO you want to help out? Are you able to distinguish between national governments and populations numbering in the hundreds of millions? And your dumb ass is over there trying to throw a guilt trip at me for being selfish.

Please do post me some more of these, this is the funniest shit I've come across on the internet in months.

Here's some more for ya Chuckles:

When you say the rest, generally it's excluding whatever you're referring to genius. Like if I said I hope the rest of the world isn't as fucking dim-witted as you, that doesn't include you in the rest part. Now pay up for your lesson in dialogue, bitch. I need some sort of compensation for schooling your ass and endangering my intellect just by trying to talk to you.

 

[Sirbolt]

China isn't a third world country. Nor would, in my eyes at least, India constitute one.

 

[kingcomrade]

China isn't a third world country. Nor would, in my eyes at least, India constitute one.

Why not? Today's definition of third world country means "full of poor people." Both of those countries have a few fairly developed big cities, and then a shit-ton of poor people everywhere else.

 

[Sirbolt]

Why not? Today's definition of third world country means "full of poor people." Both of those countries have a few fairly developed big cities, and then a shit-ton of poor people everywhere else.

That's a highly researched opinion you've got there. In my opinion todays definition of the word is "poor infrastructure and littel to no industrialisation". Both India and China have a working infrastructure. Not to mention the fact that China has been a "second world" country since the beginning of the cold war. Commies, you know.

EDIT; Oh, and thers a significant difference when it comes to North and South India.

 

[kingcomrade]

We don't use first second and third world the same way we did when the Cold War started.

As for highly researched, sure. That's what I mean and that's what everyone else means when they say Third World Country.