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TemplarGR

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Projecting much?

When someone is a "shill", you can clearly define on which side he is shilling for. I am not a shill. For what company i have been shilling for? Bethesda? The only games of theirs i like were released years ago, wouldn't make sense for them to pay me to promote Skyrim... I never said their more recent games were any good, even Fallout 4, which i like by the way, is not that great as an RPG and everyone knows that...

What other company i shill for? Obsidian? I like PoE games, didn't like Tyranny. But even when i like Deadfire, you don't see me make posts for it every 10 minutes...

Look kid, i am not a shill. I am just a very experienced older gamer with a nice taste and a low tolerance for pretentious hipsters who think old=good.
 

ArchAngel

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Projecting much?

When someone is a "shill", you can clearly define on which side he is shilling for. I am not a shill. For what company i have been shilling for? Bethesda? The only games of theirs i like were released years ago, wouldn't make sense for them to pay me to promote Skyrim... I never said their more recent games were any good, even Fallout 4, which i like by the way, is not that great as an RPG and everyone knows that...

What other company i shill for? Obsidian? I like PoE games, didn't like Tyranny. But even when i like Deadfire, you don't see me make posts for it every 10 minutes...

Look kid, i am not a shill. I am just a very experienced older gamer with a nice taste and a low tolerance for pretentious hipsters who think old=good.
Nah, that is what you think you are.
What you are really is a Dumbfuck and Bethestard.
 

Generic-Giant-Spider

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TemplarGR does make a good point about new age shilling. If I was making a game, I'd rather have a popular streamer play it for a week where I know for sure thousands of his viewers are being exposed to it than run a thirty second advertisement which most people will either skip after three seconds or not even see due to adblock.

These streamers are goldmines for developers since a streamer has a loyal fanbase that will happily hang off what they say while a developer saves a lot of money from having to put together any actual marketing campaign.
 

hexer

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I work in marketing, spamming people with video ads still works.
But yeah, popular streamers have the same effect as when a friend recommends a game to you.
I'd use both methods!
 

vazha

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Since when do good sales make a game good or otherwise? Prelude to Darkness sold what, 200 copies? Yet its heads and shoulders above both Kingmaker and Deadfire. That said, if Kingmaker outsold Deadfire, that's good because it's a superior game even when you count in numerous bugs and insufferable endgame. Deadfire wasn't that bad either, but certainly could and should have been better.
 

Curratum

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I have a thought for you. I am now playing Deadfire, started this week, because the last DLC is out and they stopped tweaking the living soul of the game.

Kingmaker is still being "hotfixed" with 4 pages of patchnotes every few days, which is why I'm not touching it.
 

2house2fly

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Bingo. Obsidian and InXile were not bought out by Microsoft because they were releasing popular games.
Since Microsoft is not in the business of charity, one wonders why they did invest in these two companies.

TemplarGR does make a good point about new age shilling. If I was making a game, I'd rather have a popular streamer play it for a week where I know for sure thousands of his viewers are being exposed to it than run a thirty second advertisement which most people will either skip after three seconds or not even see due to adblock.

These streamers are goldmines for developers since a streamer has a loyal fanbase that will happily hang off what they say while a developer saves a lot of money from having to put together any actual marketing campaign.
Depending on the bugginess of the game, letting a streamer show it off to thousands of people might be more of a landmine
 

Efe

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Depending on the bugginess of the game, letting a streamer show it off to thousands of people might be more of a landmine
idiots still buy it.
just look at atlas, was most watched on twitch and is literally the same game from devs with a pirate skin. full of bugs too. was top of the list on twitch (3rd right now)
its literally a pile of shit and is/will be selling like hotcakes.
 

vazha

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Prelude to Darkness sold what, 200 copies? Yet its heads and shoulders above both Kingmaker and Deadfire

I really wanted to play Prelude to Darkness, but it crashed about every 10 minutes. 3 hours in, I just gave up as it was entirely unplayable for me.
try v. 1. 07 and somehow persevere during early game. Then the bugs subside somewhat to a ratio of one ctd every 30 minutes or so. I still have hopes that someday their source code will be given to codex.
 
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you have convinced me. Forthwith I shall only eat at McDonald's, and cloth myself via the sellers of quality threads at Walmart. For entertainment I will watch X-factor or americas got talent and if I go to the movies I will only see movies revolving around fantastic costumed heroes. Life is too short to waste it on inferior products.
 

Kruno

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vazha If you have CTDs then you have an unstable system config. I rarely encounter a CTD. I would say a CTD happens once a year at most, and not even that often.

Bah Go away!
 

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From my perspective Kingmaker IS an AAA title that was released as a final product, when it should have remained Early Access for another 6 months. If not for the poor QA, the game has very high production quality, on par with any other AAA game.
Kingmaker is going to be the reference for "how to produce a niche rpg and still profit".
Deadfire is going to be "please don't burn all this money on a niche rpg- HOW MUCH MONEY FOR CRITICAL ROLE AND FULL VOICEOVER??? ARE YOU CRAZY??"
 

vazha

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vazha If you have CTDs then you have an unstable system config. I rarely encounter a CTD. I would say a CTD happens once a year at most, and not even that often.

Bah Go away!
You do realize we are talking about Prelude to Darkness, right? Not Kingmaker or Deadfire.
 
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TemplarGR

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TemplarGR does make a good point about new age shilling. If I was making a game, I'd rather have a popular streamer play it for a week where I know for sure thousands of his viewers are being exposed to it than run a thirty second advertisement which most people will either skip after three seconds or not even see due to adblock.

These streamers are goldmines for developers since a streamer has a loyal fanbase that will happily hang off what they say while a developer saves a lot of money from having to put together any actual marketing campaign.

Typical forms of video game shilling:

1) Video game magazines (companies bought ads=good reviews for their games), this form is obsolete because internet
2) Video game site reviews (again, no site is subscription based, everyone is based on ad money... People caught on to the bribed reviews of the various IGNs and Gamespots and now they are obsolete as well)
3) Youtube, twitch, streamer shills. These people make their money off video game companies bribing them under the table to let's play or promote their shit. 99,9% of the streamer population is a shill. How do you think they are making enough money to live off it, google ad sense? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, the law in some places has a requirement to report when a video is sponsored, but they don't have to report it if they can hide it well enough... Those people are called "influencers" now, but they are really just old fashioned shills.
4) Forum, metacritic, youtube comment, reddit, shills. People who get paid to comment on the internet and pretend to be normal gamers and then proceed to claim a certain game is good, you should buy it. Very apparent on Metacritic, where each user review at the time of release for a new game, is made by a brand new account with no review history on the site. Don't believe me? Look it up yourselves. Go visit any major game day 1 and see how many 9s and 10s it will get from brand new accounts...

Want another example? Any Blizzard subreddit or forum... It is full of "users" who are really Blizzard employees and will downvote and attack ANYONE who dares even mildly criticize their game. When called upon it, they will pretend they are just blind "fanboys" and not employees. What separates those from the true "fanboys"? They have a strange "allowance" to bend the rules, like calling someone names, they post a lot, almost instantly, on any negative remark, but they never insert any new information in a discussion, in other words, they never make their own complaints/feedback/whatever. They just react to criticism for damage control etc...

People need to understand that the world is full of poor people, especially in asia, who would gladly get a few dollars in order to write stuff online. It is a cheap and effective way to promote products. Do you really think that companies which makes millions and even billions of dollars, would shy away from hiring a few poor people to create positive buzz around their stuff? Is paying millions for a TV ad better?

This is not just video games obviously. "Influencers" are fucking everywhere online. From travel agents, to clothes, to cars, politicians, etc, shilling is half the traffic on internet these days, the other half is porn, as i always say :P
 

Cael

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Deadfire is going to be "please don't burn all this money on a niche rpg- HOW MUCH MONEY FOR CRITICAL ROLE AND FULL VOICEOVER??? ARE YOU CRAZY??"
That's the biggest problem with modern games. They want movies! Voice acting! High-def graphics!

In the meantime, the players are going: My poor computer's melting!!!
 

Bah

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Kingmaker is going to be the reference for "how to produce a niche rpg and still profit".

Boy I sure hope not. I have a strong feeling that kingmaker is going to be my favorite game of the last decade, but I can not stress enough how much we must push back against low quality software getting pushed out the door. It took them less than two months to fix most of the major breaking issues. There is just no excuse for releasing the game in the state it was in. And then to shovel out DLC on top of it while there were still bugs to be fixed makes me believe that their company is owned by a Jew.
 
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Oh fucking well. That obscure RPG we liked didn't sell as well as the more mainstream rubbish. This has never happened before in the history of the Codex. I must mop my tears on my cloth map from Ultima VII.
 

Azarkon

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Mixed reviews game made by unknown Russian company gets out sold...

...by sequel from established American industry veterans with Very Positive reviews and lots of media hype...

...with a four months head start...

...this is supposed to be surprising?

It didn't even have the Dungeons and Dragons name. Most casuals saw "Pathfinder" and went, what that supposed to be? Yeah, it's basically Dungeons and Dragons, but you expect the average gamer to know that?

Neither game "deserved" to sell well by market logic, and neither did. But I guess it's just been so boring lately that we have to create drama, so carry on.
 

TemplarGR

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It didn't even have the Dungeons and Dragons name. Most casuals saw "Pathfinder" and went, what that supposed to be? Yeah, it's basically Dungeons and Dragons, but you expect the average gamer to know that?

Actually, the average DnD gamer DID KNOW THAT. People who are autistic enough to care about DnD would at least have a faint idea of what Pathfinder is...
 

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