CKII is released.

[Average Manatee]

For the base vanilla game alone I'd say EU4 has slightly more content/replayability, but considering mods/DLC it's way in CK2's favor.

 

[fantadomat]

opinions on CkII vs. Europa Universallis, which is more fun? If you had to only own and play one of them?

They are different kind of fun. EU4 is more a pure country conquest while CK is a family conquest. The biggest problem for me in CK is the events,they are endless and many of them pointless. Mid-late game could become a slug thanks to the even swarm. Some times you can't even pass more than a few days before some idiotic pointless event pops up. EU4 is more fast pasted. Also in CK2 many features are badly implemented and could mess up your game and annoy you. Same could be said about EU4 too but they are less annoying. If you are new to the genre i would recommend beginning with eu4. Also beware,Paradox have really scummy dlc practices. If i were you,i would have acquire the game with my internet wiz skills . Still your money,your choice.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

opinions on CkII vs. Europa Universallis, which is more fun? If you had to only own and play one of them?

They are different kind of fun. EU4 is more a pure country conquest while CK is a family conquest. The biggest problem for me in CK is the events,they are endless and many of them pointless. Mid-late game could become a slug thanks to the even swarm. Some times you can't even pass more than a few days before some idiotic pointless event pops up. EU4 is more fast pasted. Also in CK2 many features are badly implemented and could mess up your game and annoy you. Same could be said about EU4 too but they are less annoying. If you are new to the genre i would recommend beginning with eu4. Also beware,Paradox have really scummy dlc practices. If i were you,i would have acquire the game with my internet wiz skills . Still your money,your choice.

yeah, I could use my 'ahoy matey!' skills, but honestly steam is so cheap and I have money I get from gift cards and I like to support people and companies who make games I enjoy playing. I ask the questions about which to get not so much because I am trying to negotiate how to spend my money, but its more an issue of time. I have a certain amount of time to play games and that is the limiting factor for me most of the time, so I try to focus it as much as possible. There are so many games nowadays that this time issue has become my main concern. Thanks for the response.

Honestly after looking at both games it actually seems like maybe Eu4 is a little more my style, although both look good. I am a little tempted to try something different than I usually play and Ck II seems a bit different because it is more concentrated on family intrigue and single people, where as EU4 seems more along the lines of Hearts of Iron, which I have played extensively.

 

[fantadomat]

opinions on CkII vs. Europa Universallis, which is more fun? If you had to only own and play one of them?

They are different kind of fun. EU4 is more a pure country conquest while CK is a family conquest. The biggest problem for me in CK is the events,they are endless and many of them pointless. Mid-late game could become a slug thanks to the even swarm. Some times you can't even pass more than a few days before some idiotic pointless event pops up. EU4 is more fast pasted. Also in CK2 many features are badly implemented and could mess up your game and annoy you. Same could be said about EU4 too but they are less annoying. If you are new to the genre i would recommend beginning with eu4. Also beware,Paradox have really scummy dlc practices. If i were you,i would have acquire the game with my internet wiz skills . Still your money,your choice.

yeah, I could use my 'ahoy matey!' skills, but honestly steam is so cheap and I have money I get from gift cards and I like to support people and companies who make games I enjoy playing. I ask the questions about which to get not so much because I am trying to negotiate how to spend my money, but its more an issue of time. I have a certain amount of time to play games and that is the limiting factor for me most of the time, so I try to focus it as much as possible. There are so many games nowadays that this time issue has become my main concern. Thanks for the response.

Honestly after looking at both games it actually seems like maybe Eu4 is a little more my style, although both look good. I am a little tempted to try something different than I usually play and Ck II seems a bit different because it is more concentrated on family intrigue and single people, where as EU4 seems more along the lines of Hearts of Iron, which I have played extensively.

Yeah i get you mate,you are like me. I would recommend to do it like me,buy the game ahoy the dlc. If you don't have much time....well paradox games are very time consuming. Go for EU4,it is more respectful of your time,you wast a lot time clicking events in CK2 and other manual labour.

 

[vonAchdorf]

I prefer the character focus in CK2 - EU4 bores me quickly.

 

[Average Manatee]

So, the Ummayads became Zoroastrian in my Turkish Zoroastrian game.

I have absolutely no idea what happened.

Secret societies managed to convert the top liege?

 

[34scell]

I recall a Scottish Turk, Christian Aztec Emperor.

 

[Hoaxmetal]

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Never trust a motherfucker just because they're Content.

 

[fantadomat]

Charinfo
Kill #######

 

[Trash]

Apparantly they finally upgraded the HIP to work with latest patch and Jade Dragon. Question is, is it worth it? I got burned out with CK2 after they kept adding pointless expansion dlc and never got back to making the whole feudal knights and kings part work right. There were a few great mods that really worked hard to improve those parts but they went the way of the dodo. RIP The Prince and the Thane. Most of the other mods seemed to be all about 'balancing' and not about making the whole 'take a dynasty through the ages with all the ups and downs that entails' a fun endeavour. So, is CK2 with the latest patch, expansion and HIP mod now more than just another lame Pdox map painter?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Well there's always a new version of Geheimnisnacht coming.

 

[Trash]

Which looks amazingly ambitious but also as a bit of a bizarre mess to me. Kinda like the whole Warhammer Fantasy thing to begin with, really.

 

[Fedora Master]

opinions on CkII vs. Europa Universallis, which is more fun? If you had to only own and play one of them?

EUIV with all the current DLCs is an incomprehensible mess to me, and I play Dwarf Fortress.

 

[Mortmal]

Apparantly they finally upgraded the HIP to work with latest patch and Jade Dragon. Question is, is it worth it? I got burned out with CK2 after they kept adding pointless expansion dlc and never got back to making the whole feudal knights and kings part work right. There were a few great mods that really worked hard to improve those parts but they went the way of the dodo. RIP The Prince and the Thane. Most of the other mods seemed to be all about 'balancing' and not about making the whole 'take a dynasty through the ages with all the ups and downs that entails' a fun endeavour. So, is CK2 with the latest patch, expansion and HIP mod now more than just another lame Pdox map painter?

Of course not, it adds more events, IA seems a little better , but it ends up into map painting too.Jade dragon wont change your mind, you have an external power you can interact with to get artefacts and brides or if you piss them off a massive invasion, that and many little things they added.All those dlc are only for people who like the base game.

 

[Jarpie]

Any recommended mods? Are HIP and CKPlus bloated hellholes like big mods are usually?

 

[Zero Credibility]

Vanilla CK2 is already a bloated hellhole thanks to years of DLC milking. You might as well go all in and grab a mod that tries to make that bloated hellhole make at least a little more sense.

 

[mbv123]

to remove bloat, it's always a good idea to look for a mod that removes India

 

[Fedora Master]

Any recommended mods? Are HIP and CKPlus bloated hellholes like big mods are usually?

I'd say yes but you'll find plenty of history autists who'd disagree. India is entirely pointless although with the Jade Dragon DLC it's kinda-sorta-maybe alright to play there.

 

[Jarpie]

Also if I start in the earliest start-date, does the pagan cultures start to covert to christianity or do they stay pagan?

 

[vonAchdorf]

In my experience they generally will convert unless they are lucky enough to reform.

 

[Popiel]

Any recommended mods? Are HIP and CKPlus bloated hellholes like big mods are usually?

HIP removes most of India by default, which makes it one of the best mods out there all by itself.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

In my experience they generally will convert unless they are lucky enough to reform.

And even then, odds are most of them just get crusaded or jihaded because the AI cannot abuse Tribal or get out of it. Only Tengriist AI will survive on its own or even reform on its own because nomads are actually viable without making extensive use of loopholes like tribal.

 

[Jarpie]

Is it normal in the base game for other kingdoms to succumb to numerous rebellions? In my current game, Lombardy have been shattered by three rebellions so far.

 

[Fedora Master]

Yes but that's because the rebellion mechanic is shit.