CKII is released.

[Trash]

https://www.crusaderkings.com




https://af.gog.com/wishlist/games/crusader_kings_2?as=1649904300

Spoiler

The medieval dynasty simulator just got released on Gamers Gate. Release version is also different from the pirated version leaked a few days ago. Looking forward to this.

 

[Malakal]

1.02b? Hopefully it means fixed mongols. Cant wait to play this. Want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now want now but at work...

 

[Trash]

Played it for a little bit and saw a few small UI tweaks and discovered that the muslims seem a bit more prone to invade. Need to work though.

 

[Raghar]

Stop working Trash and tell us, what are Merc maintenance costs in comparison to demo? Have they changed them, or they are supposed to do that in a next patch?

 

[Trash]

The hiring cost seemed the same but maintenance cost were higher.

 

[Malakal]

Downloading now, will take a lot of time tho since I'm at work and my connection here is crappy.

Costs a lot of money in zł but well, worth it.

 

[Raghar]

Interesting, there was some confusion on theirs forums: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?585332-Mercs-are-the-same-price-as-in-the-demo

 

[Trash]

I looked into it. Seems the costs are higher for some and not for others. As I replied in that thread, I think it's a balance thing. As the Paradox guy said, mercs become less powerfull as the game goes on and levies increase. In the preview version you could also count on the AI using them if it could afford them. Seems this wasn't the case with the demo, so people went all OP about them. They're a strong force but with growing levies and an AI that also uses them I would not call them OP.

Will play the game for a bit later on and see.

AI constantly uses mercs, just not right at the beginning. As the game goes on it will be hard for you to even hire mercs because they are constantly out on AI contracts.

So, what's the problem then? AI uses them as well so they're not giving the player a distinct benefit. They're expensive to hire so only the extremely rich can by them en mass and they will turn on you if you can't afford maintaining them. Levies become larger and larger so their role becomes less important as time goes by. Hell, they're even in big demand so you can't rely on them being available whenever you want. I think it's a pretty elegant system.

I think I get it now. Balance problem my ass. People want to play CK2 as just another mappainter and get pissed when this seems difficult. Can't wait to see how they'll react when they notice their powerfull ruler falling over from a common cold.

 

[Malakal]

As I wrote on their forum mercs allow you to fight on equal footing with anyone, even the HRE or BE - at least thats my experience in around 1200. That needs balancing.

 

[Spectacle]

Could anyone check if they've fixed the bug where high crown authority doesn't increase minimum levy size?

 

[Trash]

As I wrote on their forum mercs allow you to fight on equal footing with anyone, even the HRE or BE - at least thats my experience in around 1200. That needs balancing.

You can if you can afford them and only then when they're available. Hiring enough mercs to be able to take on HRE or BE costs a fortune. If you can spend a fortune on mercs as a tiny power then the balancing should probably not be aimed at the mercs but at a tiny power getting a fortune.

Why did you assume it was more expensive? As a aside unless you are a duke with decent income paying for mercs is a huge commitment on your part. Likely you are basing the very life of your family, rule, realm, on this one shot at suceeding. The problem here isnt the cost, its reload and restart. This is the problem, eveyone wants to be sucessful in thier game. You rarely see posts of people saying I did X, and wow Z happened and I got my arse handed to me. Its all...I pwned the Byzantines, overran the middle east, and took the HRE for good measure. Really...Frankly I am sick of posts like that and have been since CK1. So lets get a grip girls.

This.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Bros, report immediately if you figure out a way tp include pagan selectability without save-editing or the selection trick.

 

[Trash]

Without proper events and gameplay changes it will just suck, Vaarna. I'll wait for a good mod or the inevitable DLC.

 

[Malakal]

As I wrote on their forum mercs allow you to fight on equal footing with anyone, even the HRE or BE - at least thats my experience in around 1200. That needs balancing.

You can if you can afford them and only then when they're available. Hiring enough mercs to be able to take on HRE or BE costs a fortune. If you can spend a fortune on mercs as a tiny power then the balancing should probably not be aimed at the mercs but at a tiny power getting a fortune.

With my limited experience in 1200 I was able to put a decent fight vs the Byzantine Empire with just three warbands (best ones, about 12000 strong) as my duke of Greater Poland and few assorted duchies. Didnt even raise my levies initially as mercs raped BE armies. Only when war started dragging on and BE started pouring their endless replenishing levies I started losing. If I had enough gold to hire ALL mercenaries I would conquer the City of Mens Desire. And that wasnt collapsing BE either, it was a crusading state that conquered its way to Persia.

With attrition limits and competent merc generals 3 warbands can easily defeat many times their number of levied armies. I did that and I do not consider myself a good player.

But yes, its easier to get gold than levies.

 

[Lord Chambers]

If you don't have a nasally voice and you're able to explain what you're thinking without stammering and getting self-conscious, I would appreciate a Lets Play. I hate to be so demanding, but I noticed that I turn off any Lets Play that are more painful to watch than sit in silence--so save yourself the effort.

But I would love to see this game in motion. I'll fist you, or something.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Without proper events and gameplay changes it will just suck, Vaarna. I'll wait for a good mod or the inevitable DLC.

There's still enough meat to start with, as I gave them a spin in the "demo" that was leaked. Besides, first you need to open them up.

Also, they fixed the selection screen bug, so you can't play as everyone anymore.

 

[Lord Chambers]

Oh, there is a Lets Play in the works. http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...usader-kings-2-i-want-to-be-a-basileus.69371/

 

[fizzelopeguss]

I think I get it now. Balance problem my ass. People want to play CK2 as just another mappainter and get pissed when this seems difficult. Can't wait to see how they'll react when they notice their powerfull ruler falling over from a common cold.

Reminds me of the moaning about shogun 2 when everything goes apeshit. Doesn't take long in these kind of titles where you're gaming the system and sitting on fuck tons of gold with a god king ruler that has stats pouring from his arse. Map painters are best when your fighting tooth and nail for every gain.

 

[Father Walker]

Downloading now



Can't wait to see what modders can do with this game, since it's pretty awesome out of the box.

 

[Forest Dweller]

How does this compare to the Total War series?

 

[Spectacle]

How does this compare to the Total War series?

It doesn't. Totally different gameplay, the similarities are superficial.

 

[JarlFrank]

It doesn't even properly compare to the other Paradox titles. It's different... and so so so much fun.

Basically, you manage your family, try to get many children (somehow most of my children die before me, always... which, at one time, led to my sister wanting to kill my only daughter which was born when I was already over 30 because she was my only surviving sibling, and if I had died without a child, she would have inherited...), conquer lands and claim titles, do intrigue, try to keep your relations with other lords (and your family members) up and marry your children into higher positions, etc etc...

It's basically medieval dynasty simulator, and it's awesome.

 

[Trash]

Just found a nice new way to deal with rebellious family members. Banishing them is giving CB to strangers, putting them in jail is inelegant and chopping off their heads is bad for my image. So, what to do? Had two half brothers who were pretenders to my own noble and rebelled against him. So after defeating them I took their titles and released them. Now I had two thoroughly pissed off pretenders living in my home so in order to stay healthy I had to think of something. So, I made them into clergy by giving them bishop titles. No more in line, no negative traits, not stirring up trouble home and abroad but stuck in a monastary to live out their lives. Nice.

It's even somewhat historical as putting younger sons into the habit was done quite often back in those days. Still, I wonder if this can bite me in the ass later on...

 

[Serious_Business]

its shit compared to glorious tw series because there is no potato hussars with wings and : x

i mean look at this graphics it looks like crap

+ i dont play games to manage excel sheets lol

Heh, I can't even manage to do this shit properly, someone be more funny than me thanks

 

[Serious_Business]

If you don't have a nasally voice and you're able to explain what you're thinking without stammering and getting self-conscious, I would appreciate a Lets Play. I hate to be so demanding, but I noticed that I turn off any Lets Play that are more painful to watch than sit in silence--so save yourself the effort.

But I would love to see this game in motion. I'll fist you, or something.

This one is good I think

 

[Renegen]

As I wrote on their forum mercs allow you to fight on equal footing with anyone, even the HRE or BE - at least thats my experience in around 1200. That needs balancing.

Have you tested it extensively? Because this sounds like a load of rubbish. Firstly, the AI can also use mercs, but worse, their levies regenerate just like yours, except they have 2x, 3x the land so they will wear you down. Wars are battles of attrition, it can take a year, even close to 2 years to capture a whole province later on, during that time the levies regenerate completely and crush your puny 1 shot mercs.