Broken Age - Double Fine's Kickstarter Adventure Game

[J_C]

for the Codex to look professional and mature by comparison?

Yeah, now scroll through the Codex forums, because THAT is the Codex, not some stupid twitter.

 

[J_C]

And their big projects also had lots of problems with budgets, delays, moving from one publisher to another and so on.

And that is unfortunately standard procedure in the industry, regardless of the developers.

Well, it is his lack of ''business skill' that we criticize, so maybe he should just step away from that.

I'm not talking about us. I'm talking about the asshole who said, that he has no place in the gaming industry. PERIOD.

. I appreciate Schafer just like most of us appreciate Avellone, for the writing (certainly not for the Arcanum LP )

Ok, so why should Tim get out of the gaming industry? He might lack business skills but as you said, he has other talents a developer needs.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

for the Codex to look professional and mature by comparison?

Yeah, now scroll through the Codex forums, because THAT is the Codex, not some stupid twitter.

Why would I compare Codex forum to Schafer's twitter activity, that makes no sense.

 

[J_C]

for the Codex to look professional and mature by comparison?

Yeah, now scroll through the Codex forums, because THAT is the Codex, not some stupid twitter.

Why would I compare Codex forum to Schafer's twitter activity, that makes no sense.

And saying that the Codex is more mature (ROLF) and professional (XD) because we don't troll others in twitter makes so much sense.

 

[tuluse]

ITT we learn that J_C thinks the behavior of anonymous forum posters should be held to the same standard as a CEO who's in charge of millions of his fans money.

 

[J_C]

ITT we learn that J_C thinks the behavior of anonymous forum posters should be held to the same standard as a CEO who's in charge of millions of his fans money.

Would you quote me on that please? Because I just said that the Codex is not more mature just because we don't troll on twitter.

 

[tuluse]

It's not appropriate for Tim Schafer to "troll" fans (or potential fans) on his twitter. End of story.

 

[J_C]

It's not appropriate for Tim Schafer to "troll" fans (or potential fans) on his twitter. End of story.

I'm almost certain that if this trolling wasn't about the Broken Age kickstarter, but a random idiot who for example would be shitting on DotT, Tim Schafer would be a hero trolling the guy.

 

[toro]

It's not appropriate for Tim Schafer to "troll" fans (or potential fans) on his twitter. End of story.

I'm almost certain that if this trolling wasn't about the Broken Age kickstarter, but a random idiot who for example would be shitting on DotT, Tim Schafer would be a hero trolling the guy.

And why is that?

 

[Cowboy Moment]

That's actually one of the good things about the Codex, unlike a lot of edgy communities out there, we don't go out and harass people we dislike. Only way you get trolled by the Codex, is by registering here and posting dumb shit. This, I feel, is very fair.

Furthermore, if anyone started tweeting stupid crap at the Codex official twitter account, the worst they could get is a snarky response. Certainly not Schafer's dumb "OLOLO YOU BASEMENT DWELLER" (seriously, this guy is supposed to be extraordinarily witty?). I'm sure Crooked Bee can back me up on this.

 

[evdk]

That's actually one of the good things about the Codex, unlike a lot of edgy communities out there, we don't go out and harass people we dislike. Only way you get trolled by the Codex, is by registering here and posting dumb shit. This, I feel, is very fair.

Furthermore, if anyone started tweeting stupid crap at the Codex official twitter account, the worst they could get is a snarky response. Certainly not Schafer's dumb "OLOLO YOU BASEMENT DWELLER" (seriously, this guy is supposed to be extraordinarily witty?). I'm sure Crooked Bee can back me up on this.

Andhaira isn't a part of the Codex? News to me.

 

[Stabwound]

In all seriousness, I find it sad to see this all unfold. Schafer was involved in some great games, and today it's looking like a lot of his persona is a huge fraud and he's getting very bitter about people calling him out on it. I find Kotnik deplorable, but his response to Schafer is hilarious. It's probably been brought up here, but it's pretty telling:

"Tim Schafer. The guy comes out and says I'm a prick. I've never met him in my life - I've never had anything to do with him," Kotick tells Edge.
"I never had any involvement in the Vivendi project that they were doing, Brütal Legend, other than I was in one meeting where the guys looked at it and said, 'He's late, he's missed every milestone, he's overspent the budget and it doesn't seem like a good game. We're going to cancel it."
"And do you know what? That seemed like a sensible thing to do. And it turns out, he was late, he missed every milestone, the game was not a particularly good game..."

I wanted this thing to turn out well, I enjoy his better straight-up adventure games and I respect him for getting the whole crowdfunding thing rolling, but this is a huge clusterfuck and it's looking like he's a straight-up bullshitter. He fucked up badly, and anyone who tries to apologize for that reeks of fanboyism.

He needs to pop a Xanax, stay off Twitter, and stop bullshitting around and deliver a great game. His reputation is in the toilet right now. I'm rooting for him to turn it around and prove everyone wrong, but it's certainly not looking like that's going to happen at this rate. I get the fanboyism and blind optimism, but there's no way you can apologize for some of this shit. Come on.

 

[J_C]

It's not appropriate for Tim Schafer to "troll" fans (or potential fans) on his twitter. End of story.

I'm almost certain that if this trolling wasn't about the Broken Age kickstarter, but a random idiot who for example would be shitting on DotT, Tim Schafer would be a hero trolling the guy.

And why is that?

Just a feeling, knowing the Codex's behaviour. And lets not forget that Tim was called a hero when he called Bobby Kotick a prick, and he was even bashed a little for apologising later. Yet now people pick Kotick's side.

 

[Sensuki]

Some serious denial going on here.

and I agree Tim Schaefer = burnt toast in those twitter conversations

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[Lancehead]

It's not appropriate for Tim Schafer to "troll" fans (or potential fans) on his twitter. End of story.

I'm almost certain that if this trolling wasn't about the Broken Age kickstarter, but a random idiot who for example would be shitting on DotT, Tim Schafer would be a hero trolling the guy.

If your defence of Schafer is that he isn't any more improper or discomposed than others, then it doesn't put him in a very good light.

 

[Diablo169]

I really want to see the company books for this games development to see exactly where the money was pissed away. Apparently they had a fucking huge booth at E3, hope they didn't use kickstarter money for that.

 

[J_C]

See this is what I hate people. We arrived at a point when people say that all of his games, his whole company and his persona is a huge scam, and he was a big bullshitter all the time. This is fucking ridiculous. He can be called out on the stuff about Broken Age, but bringing this to the next level and generally say that every step of his is like Broken Age is an idiotic thing to do.

 

[Sensuki]

I don't think so.

Main points

Mismanagement of the project
Pretty dodgy second campaign + announcement of even more financial trouble
Tim Schaefer is a dick on twitter

That's all really.

Apparently this is normal for Tim Schaefer though (and Double Fine).

 

[Direwolf]

See this is what I hate people. We arrived at a point when people say that all of his games, his whole company and his persona is a huge scam, and he was a big bullshitter all the time. This is fucking ridiculous. He can be called out on the stuff about Broken Age, but bringing this to the next level and generally say that every step of his is like Broken Age is an idiotic thing to do.

Judging by what is happening now and what happened during Brutal Legend development we can easily extrapolate that all his projects were in complete management hell from start to finish. There is absolutely nothing that indicates otherwise.

 

[J_C]

See this is what I hate people. We arrived at a point when people say that all of his games, his whole company and his persona is a huge scam, and he was a big bullshitter all the time. This is fucking ridiculous. He can be called out on the stuff about Broken Age, but bringing this to the next level and generally say that every step of his is like Broken Age is an idiotic thing to do.

Judging by what is happening now and what happened during Brutal Legend development we can easily extrapolate that all his projects were in complete management hell from start to finish. There is absolutely nothing that indicates otherwise.

If Brutal Legend would have been such a management hell, EA, the other idiotic publisher which cancels games as a hobby wouldn't have picked it up and marketed it to hell and back. And the fact that the company is still doing OK, and is in the business for 13 years just shows that they are managing the projects allright.

 

[evdk]

If Brutal Legend would have been such a management hell, EA, the other idiotic publisher which cancels games as a hobby wouldn't have picked it up and marketed it to hell and back. And the fact that the company is still doing OK, and is in the business for 13 years just shows that they are managing the projects allright.

They certainly aren't managing this one alright, which begs the question, if all their other projects were a production walk in the park, what has changed so drastically to bring on their current misfortunes. It would appear that Schaefer needs a producers' boot up his ass to actually work.

 

[J_C]

It would appear that Schaefer needs a producers' boot up his ass to actually work.

Yes, this is possible. And again, I'm not doubting that there was a massive mismanagement in this project.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

That's actually one of the good things about the Codex, unlike a lot of edgy communities out there, we don't go out and harass people we dislike. Only way you get trolled by the Codex, is by registering here and posting dumb shit. This, I feel, is very fair.

Furthermore, if anyone started tweeting stupid crap at the Codex official twitter account, the worst they could get is a snarky response. Certainly not Schafer's dumb "OLOLO YOU BASEMENT DWELLER" (seriously, this guy is supposed to be extraordinarily witty?). I'm sure Crooked Bee can back me up on this.

Andhaira isn't a part of the Codex? News to me.

Dicksmoker is. Also, that was not only a rare occurence that prompted some changes to the forum rules, but also Andhaira's solo initiative. Compare to /v/'s campaign against Hepler, for example, or their trolling of BSN after ME3. Not even going to get into the retarded crap reddit pulls on a regular basis. Honestly, we're very, very tame by comparison.

 

[evdk]

Dicksmoker is. Also, that was not only a rare occurence that prompted some changes to the forum rules, but also Andhaira's solo initiative. Compare to /v/'s campaign against Hepler, for example, or their trolling of BSN after ME3. Not even going to get into the retarded crap reddit pulls on a regular basis. Honestly, we're very, very tame by comparison.

We did that too. IIRC the Andhaira account over at the BSN had a widely distributed password.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

Dicksmoker is. Also, that was not only a rare occurence that prompted some changes to the forum rules, but also Andhaira's solo initiative. Compare to /v/'s campaign against Hepler, for example, or their trolling of BSN after ME3. Not even going to get into the retarded crap reddit pulls on a regular basis. Honestly, we're very, very tame by comparison.

We did that too. IIRC the Andhaira account over at the BSN had a widely distributed password.

Honestly, the fact that it was just one account only reinforces my point. Most of us were happy to laugh at the horde of /v/-originated Stanley Woo clones in the warmth and safety of the LOL BIOWARE thread.