Are we an RPG Discussion website or a Free Speech website?

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Yeah I’m not voting in this poll or any other poll. Not after the Kalinite affair.

You have chosen poorly.

Voting is mandatory. All must vote!

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

The poll results are interestingly close so far...

It's 55.2% vs 44.8%, what's close, are you retarded?

 

[Ranselknulf]

As has been alluded to, the Australian High Court made a ruling recently which effectively means I (and the staff) may be responsible for the shit most of you idiots post.

You must remove the site from Aussie authority or you are fucked up anyways - one day, one slip, one report - and you are in the world of pain.

Because that ruling is absolute bonkers. It presumes collective responsibility. Collective responsibility is fairly rare in civilized countries and mostly used when there is no other tools available. Compare it with Yamashita standard:

"unlawfully disregarding, and failing to discharge, his duty as a commander to control the acts of members of his command, by permitting them to commit war crimes"

Similar to American RICO law when a head of corrupt organization is held responsible for the actions of his subordinates.

The decision of Aus. court you have quoted has no connection between site's hosts and posters, no chain of "command"! This is a new low even for today's lawmaking

How the laws are written doesn't matter, all that matters is how they are enforced and used. If they want to say a bunch of internet shit posts are a conspiracy to overthrow the (((government))), then they are gonna go ahead with the lawsuits.

The choice is simple here.

DU has to move to a country with reliable internet and no extradition treaties to maintain the integrity of the codex.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

As has been alluded to, the Australian High Court made a ruling recently which effectively means I (and the staff) may be responsible for the shit most of you idiots post.

You must remove the site from Aussie authority or you are fucked up anyways - one day, one slip, one report - and you are in the world of pain.

Because that ruling is absolute bonkers. It presumes collective responsibility. Collective responsibility is fairly rare in civilized countries and mostly used when there is no other tools available. Compare it with Yamashita standard:

"unlawfully disregarding, and failing to discharge, his duty as a commander to control the acts of members of his command, by permitting them to commit war crimes"

Similar to American RICO law when a head of corrupt organization is held responsible for the actions of his subordinates.

The decision of Aus. court you have quoted has no connection between site's hosts and posters, no chain of "command"! This is a new low even for today's lawmaking

How the laws are written doesn't matter, all that matters is how they are enforced and used. If they want to say a bunch of internet shit posts are a conspiracy to overthrow the (((government))), then they are gonna go ahead with the lawsuits.

The choice is simple here.

DU has to move to a country with reliable internet and no extradition treaties to maintain the integrity of the codex.

Or just put the ownership of the site in a corporation that's in another country, and further limit the tractability by using payment methods not connected with his real name.

The real problems come with people harassing your hosting providers long before it gets to a government level. Or at least that's what I've seen after close to a decade of following what's gone on with much more controversial sites.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

 

[Ranselknulf]

As has been alluded to, the Australian High Court made a ruling recently which effectively means I (and the staff) may be responsible for the shit most of you idiots post.

You must remove the site from Aussie authority or you are fucked up anyways - one day, one slip, one report - and you are in the world of pain.

Because that ruling is absolute bonkers. It presumes collective responsibility. Collective responsibility is fairly rare in civilized countries and mostly used when there is no other tools available. Compare it with Yamashita standard:

"unlawfully disregarding, and failing to discharge, his duty as a commander to control the acts of members of his command, by permitting them to commit war crimes"

Similar to American RICO law when a head of corrupt organization is held responsible for the actions of his subordinates.

The decision of Aus. court you have quoted has no connection between site's hosts and posters, no chain of "command"! This is a new low even for today's lawmaking

How the laws are written doesn't matter, all that matters is how they are enforced and used. If they want to say a bunch of internet shit posts are a conspiracy to overthrow the (((government))), then they are gonna go ahead with the lawsuits.

The choice is simple here.

DU has to move to a country with reliable internet and no extradition treaties to maintain the integrity of the codex.

Or just put the ownership of the site in a corporation that's in another country, and further limit the tractability by using payment methods not connected with his real name.

The real problems come with people harassing your hosting providers long before it gets to a government level. Or at least that's what I've seen after close to a decade of following what's gone on with much more controversial sites.

I find it amusing to think people (with power) care enough about the codex to try and shut it down.

As long as we stay about this size, there is nothing to really worry about. This site is a nothingburger. I know there is a push from certain "people" to make the site more mainstream and monetizable, but it will never work out for the reasons that have been gone over a million times.

I guess DU and company still don't believe the reasons why it won't work though, but its ultimately their choice to move forward with their attempt at rebranding the dex.

My opinion remains the same, splitting the codex is never going to work. An all out purge might work, if enough of the user base stays behind, but that is a gamble in of itself.

I don't see why the news curators for this site couldn't just use their industry "connections" to start a new site not linked to the codex brand.

It avoids the hassles of being canceled in the future because the woke mob never forgets.

I mean, I appreciate the work the news curators perform on the rpgcodex, but I don't think that should give them the power to demand the codex change its nature just to allow them to advance their careers.

I'd definitely urge the news curators to make a new site and get support from people who want a sanitized game discussion experience that can't be found anywhere else on the internet.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

What can change the nature of the RPGCodex?

 

[Urthor]

They come for the RPGs.

Clearly half of the RPG posters make 10 posts in the "Newsmax opinion threads," for a single post in the RPG threads,

Which gives the impression politics is what matters here.

But nobody new ever came to this forum to talk about politics. The drawcard is the RPGs.

And nobody is ever going to post about RPGs under their real name.

I can't have the "Owlcat Games quality romantic fiction" quotes thread turning up when my boss googles my Linkedin.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I find it amusing to think people (with power) care enough about the codex to try and shut it down.

They've shut down smaller sites for less. It just takes the right autist who knows how to report it and whom to report it to.

That said, once it's gone, that would probably be the end of it. Actual government stuff is unlikely.

As long as we stay about this size, there is nothing to really worry about.

It has nothing to do with size. All it takes is one fag on reddit sharing it and suddenly thousands of faggots will be outraged.

DU is right to be concerned, but simple precautions like I mentioned are probably be fine.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Give the Codex to a Pole.

Honestly with all the "prejudicial hatred" shit that is being pushed in EU right now, basing the Codex in Poland would hardly be much better than the current situation in Austrailia. In the Czech Republic we already had people sentenced to years in jail for "supporting terrorism" by making shitposts on Facebook about Tarrant giving the mudslimes the taste of their own medicine and I dont think its all that different in Poland. The only defence would be that nobody would likely give a fuck about a gaming forum (plus nobody gives a fuck if you say "nigger"), but there is no telling when things might change on that front.

US would be a safe option at least for the time being.

One of many Soros and EU founded NGOs would give a shit Comrade, those traitorous curs* are payed too well and have too big bully bone to work diligently exposing every ''fascist'' or Putin Agent so I do agree posting the forum in Potatoland would be big mistake... Same as Russia which is very sensitive on every speech that can be seen as inflaming the religious and ethnic conflict so half of GD would need to go... we could criticize the trannies and homos in game there though.

So some red state in KWA? I am not sure if it will last long though or maybe Hungary but there you can't criticize the (((tribe))) or Maybe Afghanistan but so many posts here are anti Islam.... Where can you run where can you hide Codex? Nowhere cause there are no places interested in upholding liberty and freedom of expression Comrade.

*Children and Grandchildren of ''communists'' who betrayed Eastern Block, Socialism and USSR for (((western]]] shekels and opportunity to loot the state property an became rabid new liberals.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The poll results are interestingly close so far...

people who would support free speech are probably less likely to vote in a DU poll

 

[Johannes]

Wtf is a free speech website... It's a gayming form with a decent moderation policy.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Wtf is a free speech website... It's a gayming form with a decent moderation policy.

Sounds like a haven for neon nazis.

Spoiler

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

Children and Grandchildren of ''communists'' who betrayed Eastern Block, Socialism and USSR

Go to hell, communist cunt. You betrayed Holy Orthodoxy first. No decent and sane person in Eastern Europe (or anywhere for that matter) has any obligation to demons like (((marx))), (((lenin))), shitlin and the rest of their hellbound ilk. Don't worry, you will join your defeated demon-masters in hell soon enough.

Behold the holy icon of Saint Nicholai II, Tsar and Imperator of All-Russia, martyred by satanic bolshevik scum for his faith. By the power of Allmighty Christ, your demonic lies are dissolved and sent back to hell from whence they came.

Vade retro, satana.

 

[Fedora Master]

So, as I understand it:
Australia is cracking down on free speech, as is America. Meaning you can't host the server in either country. Unsurprising but not exactly a new development. Solution: Host the site in some third world hellhole where nobody cares. That's still very much possible, because plenty of other sites do exactly that.
Alternative: Delete GD, ban foul language, hope you're not going to get fucked on some other technicality. Easier but hardly a good solution for anyone involved and also still dangerous to the owner of the site.

I find it odd that DU is making these discoveries now when other sites have had to put up with the same possibilities of legal trouble long before.

DarkUnderlord I don't know where you got the idea from that anyone here expects you to "die on a hill" over anything. What "we" might expect is that you will at least put up token resistance to any foreign inquiry if it should happen. So far it has not. Again, this is nothing new, other sites have done exactly that. You very much should read up on the legal framework of things, even though you feel like it is too much work. Getting fucked over because of a website that allows wrongthink should come as no surprise to anyone.

e: The other thing is - Who here really spouted nothing but "I HATE NAGGERS SO MUCH OH MY GOD ALL NAGGERS MUST HANG!!!" constantly? There's far worse statements in GD - I should know because I made some of 'em - yet the hangup seems to be the word for negroes?

 

[Commissar Draco]

Children and Grandchildren of ''communists'' who betrayed Eastern Block, Socialism and USSR

Go to hell, communist cunt. You betrayed Holy Orthodoxy first. No decent and sane person in Eastern Europe (or anywhere for that matter) has any obligation to demons like (((marx))), (((lenin))), shitlin and the rest of their hellbound ilk. Don't worry, you will join your defeated demon-masters in hell soon enough.

You can be Communist and Orthodox in Russia and Belarus in fact the Communist Pary of Russian Federation is one of most social conservatives parties in Duma, its the liberal opposition and far right who are Anti Russian and Anti-Orthodox the former cause they love every thing which comes from (((west]]] and latter cause they are bunch of neo-pagans and Shitler lovers.

Also so much brotherly love from your post Comrade Christian.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Children and Grandchildren of ''communists'' who betrayed Eastern Block, Socialism and USSR

Go to hell, communist cunt. You betrayed Holy Orthodoxy first. No decent and sane person in Eastern Europe (or anywhere for that matter) has any obligation to demons like (((marx))), (((lenin))), shitlin and the rest of their hellbound ilk. Don't worry, you will join your defeated demon-masters in hell soon enough.

Behold the holy icon of Saint Nicholai II, Tsar and Imperator of All-Russia, martyred by satanic bolshevik scum for his faith. By the power of Allmighty Christ, your demonic lies are dissolved and sent back to hell from whence they came.

Vade retro, satana.

This is a pretty good point, to be fair.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

You can be Communist and Orthodox

NO.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

, as is America.

no?

Meaning you can't host the server in either country.

USA is one of the few countries that absolves the host of responsibility for user-generated content hosted + has no real laws against speech(that isn't an imminent call to violence -- a fairly high bar to meet on the internet)

it's a poor country for something like thepiratebay(gay copyright laws due to hollywood,) but it's a good country for something like kiwifarms.

 

[Fedora Master]

, as is America.

no?

Meaning you can't host the server in either country.

USA is one of the few countries that absolves the host of responsibility for user-generated content hosted + has no real laws against speech(that isn't an imminent call to violence -- a fairly high bar to meet on the internet)

it's a poor country for something like thepiratebay, but it's a good country for something like kiwifarms.

Free speech is on its way out in America no matter what you say.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

, as is America.

no?

Meaning you can't host the server in either country.

USA is one of the few countries that absolves the host of responsibility for user-generated content hosted + has no real laws against speech(that isn't an imminent call to violence -- a fairly high bar to meet on the internet)

it's a poor country for something like thepiratebay, but it's a good country for something like kiwifarms.

Free speech is on its way out in America no matter what you say.

Then it will just join every other country in the world already I suppose. But you're crazy if you think it isn't one of the best choices, if it wasn't then most of the sites like 4chan, kiwifarms, gab, etc., wouldn't be hosted there.

 

[Digimon]

If you do ultimately shut down the site for whatever reason, I hope you provide a read-only archive that can either be browsed or downloaded.

No, that’s a bad idea.

There are people getting cancelled over stuff they said, over 10 years ago, on Facebook. A ‘memorialized’ copy of this site floating around the net would provide ample ammunition for someone to screw over D.U.

D.U. unfortunately has had his real name and face publicized around, even among those who are not part of the trusted in-group of this site. And for others who shared their personal photos of themselves in GD, your photos would end up being placed out there too. There are ‘back doors’ that one can access to circumvent the 12 months requirement to access the ‘VIP only’ portion of the Codex. That is not even counting the other ways they can end up being leaked: by disgruntled members leaking stuff for revenge, by ‘Saboteurs’ who first establish themselves in the community before striking, or just sheer incompetence and/or carelessness by the admin in handling data, etc…

That is to say, for D.U. (and also for some codexers) his personal identity is not that hard to ascertain, and would be trivial if the trend of ever rapidly increasing advancements in facial recognition software powered by machine learning A.I. continues.

And running in parallel to that, as you guys already know, is the increasingly draconian and despotic society that we will have to contend with. D.U. might just get a slap on the wrist for now for hosting this site. But what about in 5 or 10 years? What happens if whatever is being posted here will be treated on the same level as they would treat someone hosting child pornography or drug peddling?

Is all of this worth the risk?

Of course, you could say that I might just being hyperbolic and paranoid- making a mountain out of a molehill. That I am just full of shit. You won’t be the first one. And you know what? For our sake I hope you are right.

 

[Parsifarka]

I feel like we are dancing around the real issue here though it's understandable because everyone is afraid of opposing such a brutal character, but the DEFCON level would be easily pushed back just by distancing the Codex from the infamous neonazi playboy and serial rapist known as Chr*s Avell*ne.

 

[Digimon]

And if you ask me, I think D.U. already had his choice before putting the poll up for voting. The poll was not place up for the majority to vote and dictate what course of action that this forum would take, at least not directly.

In one hand, He might’ve wanted someone to convince and prove him otherwise that his planned course of action is wrong, and in the other hand, he might’ve wanted to inform you guys about it so that maybe this is his way of apologizing and/or assuaging some feelings of guilt or doubt in what he is about to do.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

The real issue is that the admins are shitting their panties. The real solution is to delete this entire website, microwave the hard drives, delete all backups and databases beyond recovery, and sell the domain name to some Indian shovelware company.

It's "just a hobby", after all, and "not a hill to die on", as they said.