Baldur's Gate Are BG1 and BG2 too dated today?

[TheImplodingVoice]

 

[kangaxx]

Is this a serious question? BG1 and 2 aren't turn based anyway.

They are. Have you tried moving your characters into various different directions? Yes? Then you may have noticed how when they change directions, they turn around.

BG is turn based.

Edit: ignore me I'm a tired idiot... Time for bed.

 

[DraQ]

is there even a point in playing baldurs gate in 2020? its some fkn game for neckbeards from 2 decades ago LOL. who the fuck cares about forgotten realms nowaday LMAO. personally ive been getting into mass effect lately. you can tell that its a much more advanced modern game and it doesnt have all that clunky bs the baldurs gate had to put in there because computers back in the day couldnt emulate gunfire in realtime, like "real time with pause" (LOL cant admit your game cant handle realtime so you use hack corporate speak) and gender-restricted romance options (LOL imagine not being inclusive of gay and bisexual LGBT ppl in 2020???). i like it alot better because the graphics are 3D and every line is voice acted. so yea i agree baldurs gate is super outdated you shoud throw that shit in the trash bin man

this but unironically

Not particularly, no.

Unless you have beer, pretty lax standards and are not bothered by RTWP fuckery.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 aren't dated; it's simply that they've always been terrible games, with a pernicious influence on CRPGs that the genre is still struggling to overcome.

 

[Tavernking]

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 were fun to play once I got immersed in them. But I only gave it a chance because of its status of being a legendary game of the past.

 

[LizardWizard]

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 were fun to play once I got immersed in them. But I only gave it a chance because of its status of being a legendary game of the past.

BG1 was objectively incline in 1998

Though, 98 was an amazing year for RPGs and games in general.

 

[DemonKing]

If you grew up with AD&D then BG1 was a bit of a revelation on release, with classic D&D monsters, spells and magic items come to life. BG2 was even more of a love letter in that regard - they managed to stuff so many classic D&D monsters and magic items into that game. I preferred the storyline in BG1 but BG2's story is ok enough.

Of course if you're coming in cold without that kind of background 20 years on they are going to seem dated (even the D&D ruleset is several iterations away from the current one). The background graphics have held up well but the characters, spell effects and so on not so much.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

I mean this is a bait thread but I want to say smth on the topic of "dated games" in general:

I really hate it when ppl talk about how games have aged badly. They haven't! ppl just got used to quality of life stuff. The game that was great in 1989 is still great today if you let yourself immerse into it. I mean seriously I played so many games that are older than I am and loved the fuck out of them, anyone saying a game is dated is a decline enabler. Just adapt to the older game and learn to enjoy it.

Books aren't dated just because the language and narrative style changed, movies aren't dated just because they are in black and white and without sound and games aren't dated just because they have only a few colors or a dungeon wall tapestry for a forest texture.

And now everyone should go and play wizardry VI you faggots lol

I don't agree with this. Are there old RPGs worth playing today? Absolutely. But a lot of them HAVE aged badly as well. The UIs, the graphics, the lack of basic features (such as mapping or quick-saves or a journal), etc. This is more present with RPGs before mid-late 90s, as by 1997 or so, most major QoL features and reasonable graphics have been established.

 

[Ontopoly]

I saw BG3 on steam and it was trending on reddit. It looks pretty sweet as a game

I don't really like turn-based games

 

[Kazuki]

The game is sadly didn't have a good combat and the story is serviceable.

But if you think the beautiful art painting of the originals Baldurs Gate is bad compared to 3D NuBaldurs Gate soft reboot. I got something to say for you.

Degenerate like you belong to the cross.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

most rpgs thought to be crap on the codex will eventually be considered 'timeless classics' after enough time has passed and they're now retro
bunch of hipsters

 

[Lurker47]

Only in terms of combat. Turn-based combat is timeless with lots of room for experimentation. I can't imagine an actually good RTWP combat system that wouldn't need the micromanagement and reaction speeds of a South Korean.

That's funny. I'm now old enough (over 50) that I am noticeably worse at FPS games, even though I'm in better physical shape than I've been in decades. But I have no problems with RTwP games like BG1+2 and IWD, except as always for the worst clusterfucks with lots of units using magic and special abilities.
As long as you can pause the games they are in practice closer to TB than RT, and you don't need good reaction speed. It's more a question of keeping track.

That's why I said "good system", not anything that actually exists.

 

[CaffeineConquistador]

is there even a point in playing baldurs gate in 2020? its some fkn game for neckbeards from 2 decades ago LOL. who the fuck cares about forgotten realms nowaday LMAO. personally ive been getting into mass effect lately. you can tell that its a much more advanced modern game and it doesnt have all that clunky bs the baldurs gate had to put in there because computers back in the day couldnt emulate gunfire in realtime, like "real time with pause" (LOL cant admit your game cant handle realtime so you use hack corporate speak) and gender-restricted romance options (LOL imagine not being inclusive of gay and bisexual LGBT ppl in 2020???). i like it alot better because the graphics are 3D and every line is voice acted. so yea i agree baldurs gate is super outdated you shoud throw that shit in the trash bin man

this but unironically

Not particularly, no.

Unless you have beer, pretty lax standards and are not bothered by RTWP fuckery.

Ive seen this sentiment quite a bit here. What’s wrong with RTWP?

 

[octavius]

What’s wrong with RTWP?

Autists, except Unorus Janco, can't handle not having 100% control all the time.

 

[Butter]

RTwP is just a poor substitute for TB, its only advantage being you can plow through trash fights faster.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Bait aside, BG 1 and 2 unironically ages better than DnD based game after that.

The beautiful thing with BG 1 and 2 is the fact that the visual and gameplay holds up to modern standard (in Indie/AA studio kind of way). Later games like NvWN 1 and 2 or any other mid-2000s 3D CRPG ended up having crappy 3D feeling about them.

But not BG and IWD.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Bait aside, BG 1 and 2 unironically ages better than DnD based game after that.

The beautiful thing with BG 1 and 2 is the fact that the visual and gameplay holds up to modern standard (in Indie/AA studio kind of way). Later games like NvWN 1 and 2 or any other mid-2000s 3D CRPG ended up having crappy 3D feeling about them.

But not BG and IWD.

ToEE and KotC aged better.
Also, BG visuals were always pretty meh. It was IWD 1 & 2 with the pretty visuals.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Bait aside, BG 1 and 2 unironically ages better than DnD based game after that.

The beautiful thing with BG 1 and 2 is the fact that the visual and gameplay holds up to modern standard (in Indie/AA studio kind of way). Later games like NvWN 1 and 2 or any other mid-2000s 3D CRPG ended up having crappy 3D feeling about them.

But not BG and IWD.

ToEE and KotC aged better.
Also, BG visuals were always pretty meh. It was IWD 1 & 2 with the pretty visuals.

I agree that ToEE ages well.

KotC is released in 2009 dude, it ages well sure, but it is not that old to begin with compared to BG/IWD. And instead of a game made by a full studio, KotC has always been an indie by Pierre.

BG visuals ages well != spectacular. They are not special sure, but they age well enough to be playable today due to choice of perspective (isometric with pre-rendered background). They definitely age better than the clunky 3D of other games from early to mid 2000 visually.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

They definitely age better than the clunky 3D of other games from early to mid 2000 visually.

It really depends on the game.
NWN was ugly and outdated on release. KotOR looked good on release, still looks pretty good now.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

They definitely age better than the clunky 3D of other games from early to mid 2000 visually.

It really depends on the game.
NWN was ugly and outdated on release. KotOR looked good on release, still looks pretty good now.

I would argue that BG 1 and 2 ages better than KotOR. Like yeah KotOR is acceptable but you can really feel the age on them. BG besides the clunky traced portrait of BG 1 is completely acceptable on today standard, albeit on Indie/AA level. Game with visual like KotOR (especially on normal gameplay, discounting some of the in-game cutscenes KotOR has) is probably 3D shovelware level by today standard.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

I mean this is a bait thread but I want to say smth on the topic of "dated games" in general:

I really hate it when ppl talk about how games have aged badly. They haven't! ppl just got used to quality of life stuff. The game that was great in 1989 is still great today if you let yourself immerse into it. I mean seriously I played so many games that are older than I am and loved the fuck out of them, anyone saying a game is dated is a decline enabler. Just adapt to the older game and learn to enjoy it.

Books aren't dated just because the language and narrative style changed, movies aren't dated just because they are in black and white and without sound and games aren't dated just because they have only a few colors or a dungeon wall tapestry for a forest texture.

And now everyone should go and play wizardry VI you faggots lol

I agree, Scrooge. Wow, Scrooge, you're so smart and cool and awesome. Haha.

...So anyways, yeah. Just wanted to, uh, tell you that. Haha... keep being you, Scrooge!

(idiot, idiot! now she's going to think you're a dweeb. man... do something, and quick.)

Hey, uh, Scrooge? I was just wondering if it's okay with you could I, uh, put this post of yours on my wall? It's for inspiration! You inspire me, Scrooge.

catches a whiff of her perfume and hurries off excitedly.

 

[smaug]

Bait aside, BG 1 and 2 unironically ages better than DnD based game after that.

The beautiful thing with BG 1 and 2 is the fact that the visual and gameplay holds up to modern standard (in Indie/AA studio kind of way). Later games like NvWN 1 and 2 or any other mid-2000s 3D CRPG ended up having crappy 3D feeling about them.

But not BG and IWD.

ToEE and KotC aged better.
Also, BG visuals were always pretty meh. It was IWD 1 & 2 with the pretty visuals.

Baldur's Gate 1 had good visuals, albeit repetitive. BG2 generally has great visuals. You might prefer IWD art, but BG is by no means ugly.

 

[CaffeineConquistador]

RTwP is just a poor substitute for TB, its only advantage being you can plow through trash fights faster.

And why is it a poor substitute...? The “why” part was what I genuinely curious about.

 

[Falksi]

Been a few years since I played either, but last time I thought both held up great as games in every aspect apart from the pathfinding, micromanagement & rest system.

Pathfinding was the main cunter. That had me want to quit a few times. The other two annoyed, but weren't deal-breakers at all.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Also, BG visuals were always pretty meh. It was IWD 1 & 2 with the pretty visuals.

Lol don't be a retard.

BG visuals were fucking lit when it came out. No shit they were able to build on that later on but come on.

The game being a technical marvel when it came out is part of the reason for its success.

The biggest problem with either games is that the writing is kinda shit all though it's not entirely terrible i guess. Either way, it's nothing modern gaymes can boast to have improved upon so anybody who says the old games have been rendered irrelevant by the nu-shit is a retard.