A problem with RPGs: RPG developers are not well-read in myth and fantasy/sci-fi literature

[Tyranicon]

Who put people like that in ANY position to judge literary works?

"Political complexity of anime" hooooly shit

Back when I was trying to be an edgy novelist, I was told that lit agents are the scum of the earth.

Basically hollywood talent agents but even more pretentious.

 

[Fedora Master]

Who put people like that in ANY position to judge literary works?

"Political complexity of anime" hooooly shit

Back when I was trying to be an edgy novelist, I was told that lit agents are the scum of the earth.

Basically hollywood talent agents but even more pretentious.

What are their successes and credentials? Anyone who has enough sway to decide what is and isn't published surely must have some experience with writing under their belt right? Right?

 

[gabel]

Who put people like that in ANY position to judge literary works?[...]

Hate to say it, but

 

[Tyranicon]

Who put people like that in ANY position to judge literary works?

"Political complexity of anime" hooooly shit

Back when I was trying to be an edgy novelist, I was told that lit agents are the scum of the earth.

Basically hollywood talent agents but even more pretentious.

What are their successes and credentials? Anyone who has enough sway to decide what is and isn't published surely must have some experience with writing under their belt right? Right?

Lol the publishing houses are like a cunt hair away from complete irrelevance, nevermind modern "lit agents."

Outside of the actual important ones, they're a joke. A way for rich kids to say they have a job.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Man, when TS Elliot published "The Wasteland" in 1922, I don't think even in his most cynical estimations, he could imagine that 100 years later, the state of literature and culture in general would be something like this. THIS is the cultural wasteland he was talking about.

 

[Axel_am]

Anyone who has enough sway to decide what is and isn't published surely must have some experience with writing under their belt right? Right?

More like they know how to sell shit to the masses. Having good connections and money surely plays a bigger part than knowing how to write. I'm really surprised that lists like this exist. When going to the bookstore I noticed that the YA shit is repetitive but I didn't suspect it would be this fucking formulaic.

Can't believe these are actual requirements. Can you believe this shit? People are making money from writing about e-sport trannies and the power of friendship. I bet some poor soul is even thinking that this is his calling. In 10-20 years time the problem will be that RPG developers are too well read and not that they haven't read enough.

Who is this Keir person? I need to see for myself what kind of degenerate she/he/it is.

 

[Axel_am]

Actually whatever. This is just one person with his shit taste. Millions more like that around the globe. But it's so stupid it's making my head hurt.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Gotta give it to you guys to cherry pick one no name individual in the entire world, and even better, to pick the one that's cartoonishly opposite of you, for this thread. Especially in the age of self publishing.

 

[Lucumo]

*bashes head against wall* So your sister's husband fed their baby his/her breast milk? Or...you kow, maybe he didn't do that and used things which weren't available 20000/30000/40000/50000/+ years ago?

I recommend to stop the wall bashing and try to pay more attention to the posts you respond to, like the part where i write, exactly right after the quote you made, "Strictly speaking the mother is only needed to breastfeed the baby, beyond that it can be taken care by the father". My sister breastfeed her baby and her husband took care of the baby while she was at work.

Anyway, i'm sure you could understand this if you bothered to pay attention, but the fact you didn't confirms to me that this discussion isn't really worth anyone's time.

not to mention that women very often take a "baby year" off, as they need to be on top 24h a day.

Yes some women who are in a position to do that do take time off, but many do not. My sister for example had childbirth and she barely took any time off work, which actually due to her work took more than 8h per day. Her husband was in a position to take a longer time off work and took care of the baby while my sister was at work.

So, during the first month, babies breastfeed 8-12 times a day and your sister wasn't there for 8+h per day? And after that, when it becomes less and goes down to a "meagre" 7-9 times a day, the same applies? Even 1-year-olds breastfeed as much or a little less if you feed "stuff" which wouldn't have been available that long ago. So either your sister heavily starved her child or you did it the "modern" way and

What about the time after the birth? Like he said, women are out of the game for like 2 1/2 years, if not more.

This is not the case as women aren't 24h/day on top of the baby after birth - all you need to see this is consider that women actually do go to work after childbirth. They do need to breastfeed but the baby isn't eating 24h/day and the assumption is that when simulating the case where mothers hunt, the father is doing whatever the mother would do in the opposite setting, including taking care of the baby while the mother is out hunting.

is proven wrong and nonsense.

You already said it would be your last post and it should have been. By ignoring the other things I wrote and digging your grave further in this specific argument, it's not looking good.

 

[Sarathiour]

Who put people like that in ANY position to judge literary works?

"Political complexity of anime" hooooly shit

The bar for "political complexity" is just a setting where two nation are at war without one of the two being comically retarded evil, which apparently seems to be a revolutionary concept for someone suffering from terminal brainrot.
When the only thing you can think of as an example of political worldbuilding is FMA or GoT, this reveal much about you. 16 years old me would be ashamed putting this is into his essay.

 

[Faarbaute]

This really is a complex topic, with a lot of different threads one can follow in an attempt to analyze what has gone wrong with cultural production in general, and RPG development in particular. But in my opinion, on top of everything else, it's also really just a sign of our times. After all, why should anyone who lives and thinks and acts outside of history (i.e. modern man), care about what has come before him? It is irrelevant to the ubermench, who exists only in the present, limited only by power in relation to others. There's no standing on the shoulders of giants, or even any sort of meaningful progress at all, except in the most literal sense of the word, or as platitudes that amounts to nothing. They wouldn't care about any kind of lineage, really, much less something trivial like a previous game installment. So why would they care to be well read and cultured?

 

[Axel_am]

In doing so you just cater to what is modern without creating anything of substantial value. Writing about self-discovery, e-sports, power of friendship and so on is fine in itself. I guess it's also a question of how seriously you want to take your job/art.

I'm mostly annoyed that this is done to ride the trend. And why give so specific examples? Doesn't that kill the creative juices immediately? Instead of thinking of an idea/concept that you want to develop to a believable level you are already given a fleshed out example of what you should be doing. Doesn't that make your work at best an imitation of something way better? It's one thing to take inspiration from other media but when you are given an assignment to make something like "x" you are already thinking inside the box.

 

[luj1]

So why would they care to be well read and cultured?

This is like asking why would one be educated

 

[luj1]

Dumb question

 

[Tyrion8338]

None of the divnity game that I played try making your believe that you lived in a coherent world, it would be closer to an absurdist setting in the vein of discoworld.

That`s my main problem with Divinity and I find those games hard to enjoy because I can`t properly immerse myself in the universe.

 

[Faarbaute]

So why would they care to be well read and cultured?

This is like asking why would one be educated

Dumb question

It is absolutely not a dumb question. Not from the point of view of the kind of person I'm describing.

 

[garren]

Since the Japanese and anime was mentioned, anybody have any fair idea about the level of the Japanese people that are well read in more classic literature and their own history and religion (or western even)? What are their influences, what drives their ideas? I'm not really asking about the anime stuff, but the more classical stuff and non-anime styles of fiction. Just interested since their stuff is much less pozzed nowadays in comparison. Like I heard that one of the main devs of From Software was a big D&D fan if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Also, what is the key to their sometimes weird outlandish stuff in fiction, from a western point of view?

 

[Reinhardt]

Since the Japanese and anime was mentioned, anybody have any fair idea about the level of the Japanese people that are well read in more classic literature and their own history and religion (or western even)? What are their influences, what drives their ideas? I'm not really asking about the anime stuff, but the more classical stuff and non-anime styles of fiction. Just interested since their stuff is much less pozzed nowadays in comparison. Like I heard that one of the main devs of From Software was a big D&D fan if I remember correctly.

kurosawa and his reimagining of shakespeare as most common example.

 

[Sarathiour]

Even in anime, sometimes they took the piss and the extra miles on research for weird autistic reason, the absolute state of videogame ending up with some weeb VN being the most accurate depiction of the nazi fascination for the pagan occult and the weimar republic that I ran into among the title released the past two decade.

 

[Fedora Master]

The Japs are not a philosophical race. They can take "inspiration" from intellectual sources but that's not the same as using them purposefully.

 

[Keyaru23]

in defense of the land of the rising sun, anime is much less woke than American stuff these days. i was talking to a bunch of people in the bookstore the other day and they all mentioned there was too much politics in modern comic books, relative to manga; manga also had a much huger variety outside superheroes. so there is some of this anti-woke energy in anime fandom.

why so weird? they don't really worry too much about the fine points of whether a world is internally consistent, they just take a weird premise and roll with it. look at the anime where a guy gets reincarnated as a vending machine in a D&D world, or a guy fights with his nosehair. it's fantasy, why does it have to make sense?

philosophy? people were throwing around quotes from Hagakure and The Book of Five Rings and trying to learn Zen for a while before they decided it was cultural appropriation. i'm not a philosopher, but mindfulness meditation comes from zen and they're using it to treat anxiety and depression.

on the side, if you want an example of western philosophy being useful, don't forget a lot of the cognitive-behavioral stuff comes from the stoics, and the guys who wrote it said so.

 

[luj1]

what is the key to their sometimes weird outlandish stuff in fiction, from a western point of view?

There is no western or eastern pov

To be original you need to have read a lot. That's it

 

[Hag]

Writing is shit in all media in current year, not just video games.

Gee I wonder why



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Books that employ fridging

He took the carrots outside of the grocery bag. Would he put them on the kitchen shelves, next to the peppers and onions ? No, he said to himself, that would be foolish. He had a much colder plan for them. He slowly paced to the corner of the room and reached the fridge. The carrots in one hand, he opened the sinister appliance and perused its glacial insides. Would he put them on the top rack, with the yogurt ? No, no, that wouldn't do, that was not the idea. There was a special place for such grocery, right into the clear vegetable drawer at the bottom. He opened it and shove the roots in their glass prison, crushed between turnips and cabbages. He pushed back the drawer and closed the fridge's door with a slow, deliberate motion, never breaking eye contact. Yes, he smiled, yes, that was where they belonged.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

people were throwing around quotes from Hagakure and The Book of Five Rings

Hagakure is fucking dumb. Old man yells at cloud bullshit.
Five rings is ok. Not read it enough times though.

 

[0sacred]

people were throwing around quotes from Hagakure and The Book of Five Rings

Hagakure is fucking dumb. Old man yells at cloud bullshit.